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Kim Jong Il Dies

I'm dying to know who gets those rockin' shades.
 
Good riddance, I hope he enjoys his eternal hell :peace

Who knows, maybe his son might have a piece of a heart and not enact government policies that lead to the starvation of thousands of people.
 
Chances Kim's son will say "No more dictatorship, time for freedom!"? XD
 
I'd say the best hope for North Korea at the moment would be a smooth transfer of power to a hopefully less evil successor. Instability has too much of a chance of starting a really nasty war.
 
Chances Kim's son will say "No more dictatorship, time for freedom!"? XD

I doubt he would give up communism but maybe he would see people literally starving to death and do something about it. But meh, I'm just thinking optimistically. I doubt that will happen.
 
I doubt he would give up communism but maybe he would see people literally starving to death and do something about it. But meh, I'm just thinking optimistically. I doubt that will happen.

"Juche" the official state ideaology is actually pretty far removed from Communism.

Resembles a much more nationalistic, fascist state with certain Communist economic policies.

But even those are slowly but surely crumbling.

On the subject, good ****ing Riddance!
 
All the Villians are dead - Saddam, Osama, Gadaffi, and Kim. The world is a safer place now.
 
There's 3 scenarios:
1) Internal chaos. There are many competing factions and character in the upper levels of North Korea. Late Kim-Jong-Il's brother-in-law's faction was the leading one. If there is internal chaos and disorder, the South Korean military has about a 100% chance of intervening, as it will be a time of division and weakness, and as NK's huge military can be a risk under unreliable circumstances.
2) His third son, Kim-Jong-Uen is the most likely successor, as his other two sons are all incompetent and stupid. If the third son is smart (which I suspect he is, yet inexperienced), he will rule North Korea with only minor opposition. He'll probably rule like his father
3) The same scenario as above, yet with a little twist: He will rule like Gorbachev, recognizing the failure of the state, and introducing reforms one at a time. It's highly unlikely though

Remember, Kim-Jong-Il had a long time to prepare to succeed his father. His son didn't have much time and experience to prepare for it. He is speculated to have organized and masterminded the Yeongpyong island attacks, like his father did in masterminding the bombing of the Korean Air plane, but the circumstances and the situation is very different from when his father took over. We should all be ready for some rumbles and the unpredicted
 
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All the Villians are dead - Saddam, Osama, Gadaffi, and Kim. The world is a safer place now.

It may or may not be safer, but the death of any evil SOB makes it better. And not all the villains are dead.
 
I think the world is generally better off without him. Kim Jong Il was pretty much the only person crazy enough to start a nuclear war, and now he's not around to do that. Hopefully his successor (probably his third son) will be spared the astounding ego which led KJI to believe he was a god. A little humility might do the country some good.
 
There's 3 scenarios:
1) Internal chaos. There are many competing factions and character in the upper levels of North Korea. Late Kim-Jong-Il's brother-in-law's faction was the leading one. If there is internal chaos and disorder, the South Korean military has about a 100% chance of intervening, as it will be a time of division and weakness, and as NK's huge military can be a risk under unreliable circumstances.
2) His third son, Kim-Jong-Uen is the most likely successor, as his other two sons are all incompetent and stupid. If the third son is smart (which I suspect he is, yet inexperienced), he will rule North Korea with only minor opposition. He'll probably rule like his father
3) The same scenario as above, yet with a little twist: He will rule like Gorbachev, recognizing the failure of the state, and introducing reforms one at a time. It's highly unlikely though

Remember, Kim-Jong-Il had a long time to prepare to succeed his father. His son didn't have much time and experience to prepare for it. He is speculated to have organized and masterminded the Yeongpyong island attacks, like his father did in masterminding the bombing of the Korean Air plane, but the circumstances and the situation is very different from when his father took over. We should all be ready for some rumbles and the unpredicted

I was hoping you would be around to give us your perspective. Are South Korean forces on alert?
 
I think the world is generally better off without him. Kim Jong Il was pretty much the only person crazy enough to start a nuclear war, and now he's not around to do that. Hopefully his successor (probably his third son) will be spared the astounding ego which led KJI to believe he was a god. A little humility might do the country some good.

Actually, he didn't initiate one even after decades of ruling
 
I was hoping you would be around to give us your perspective. Are South Korean forces on alert?

Very much so. One of my friends in the military (paratroops) got called back
 
If I were his son I will send his body to USA for cryogenic freezing for future rebirth.
 
coming here **** faced before i go tod bed: **** YEA!!!!!!! **** YEA!!! Bout damn time!

But little to no hope in the future i see...
 
He's finally dead...

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I wasn't a fan of the man, but he was intelligent and he extremely skilled in the regional politics of Asia. That's no mean feat.


He was internationally hated. Every country in Asia hated him. Nobody traded much with him at all. He spent all his country's cash on cronies and the military (and even they're starving). His only life-line/umbilical cord was China, and they didn't really like him. They let his people starve by the millions in horrible famine. It's not like he had any friends or any real support. He refused to let outside information into his country. The populace remains literally and figuratively in 'in the dark'. For a technologically developed country, there is probably no bigger craphole on Earth. He was completely isolated and the entire world sighs in relief at his passing. That's skilled in the politics of Asia?

You're right about one thing, it's no mean feat to be the greatest failure of a country in modern history.



He's finally dead...

That's funny because Lil' Kim was a huge fan of "fireworks", right?
 
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He was internationally hated. Every country in Asia hated him. Nobody traded much with him at all. He spent all his country's cash on cronies and the military (and even they're starving). His only life-line/umbilical cord was China, and they didn't really like him. They let his people starve by the millions in horrible famine. It's not like he had any friends or any real support. He refused to let outside information into his country. The entire place remains literally and figuratively in 'in the dark'. He was completely isolated and the entire world sighs in relief at his passing. That's skilled in the politics of Asia?

Well the truth is somewhere between yours and TEDS statements, because the fact his regime has been able to survive despite everything you listed is a testament to the relative effectiveness of his Iron fisted leadership.
 
Well the truth is somewhere between yours and TEDS statements, because the fact his regime has been able to survive despite everything you listed is a testament to the relative effectiveness of his Iron fisted leadership.

That's nonsense. The ability to brutally oppress a population does not equate to "skilled in Asian politics". He was despised by all and has nearly destroyed his people. The only reason he was able to do this is because no one much gave a crap and he built nukes under Clinton's desk.

Are you seriously presenting the argument that Asian countries have a history of imperialist democratic liberation and he was able to fend it off? That's "skilled in Asian politics"?

He was skilled in starving his people and developing nukes while signing a treaty not to, but his politics were a disaster just like his country.
 
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That's nonsense. The ability to brutally oppress a population does not equate to "skilled in Asian politics". He was despised by all and has nearly destroyed his people. The only reason he was able to do this is because no one much gave a crap and he built nukes under Clinton's desk.

First of all!

Monika Lewinsky was the only one making Nuclear Bombs under Clintons Desk (sorry you set that up far too well).

Secondly that's not exactly what I meant. North Korea has managed to keep itself relevant and keep China on side somehow, even if its tenious.

I don't agree with TED's statement 100% but it takes something to keep your regime in tact when everyone around you hates you.
 
Secondly that's not exactly what I meant. North Korea has managed to keep itself relevant and keep China on side somehow, even if its tenious.

I don't agree with TED's statement 100% but it takes something to keep your regime in tact when everyone around you hates you.

And that is NOT skilled politics. That is being a good brutal dictator. And no one really cared to stop him. The only reason he was ever relevent was because he attacked South Korea, starved his people to terrible famine and developed nukes. That being his only relevence (and kidnapping actresses), I don't see the "skill in Asian politics" AT ALL.

This is like saying "being a brutal dictator" is "skilled in Asian politics". You want skilled in Asian politics? Look at the (free) Asian Tigers - they're living in the first world, that's getting the job done.

I got news for you dude, he's not the only brutal dictator in Asia; they are not "skilled in Asian politics" either, and their countries are, for the most part, also pieces of garbage.
 
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Likely his son.

Which is probably good news. Kid seems to be an idiot.

The US has had 8 years (2001 - 2008) of experience with kid-idiot style leadership, so we know what it's like.
 
And that is NOT skilled politics. That is being a good brutal dictator. And no one really cared to stop him. The only reason he was ever relevent was because he attacked South Korea, starved his people to terrible famine and developed nukes. That being his only relevence (and kidnapping actresses), I don't see the "skill in Asian politics" AT ALL.

This is like saying "being a brutal dictator" is "skilled in Asian politics". You want skilled in Asian politics? Look at the (free) Asian Tigers - they're living in the first world, that's getting the job done.

I got news for you dude, he's not the only brutal dictator in Asia; they are not "skilled in Asian politics" either, and their countries are, for the most part, also pieces of garbage.

China's economy is kicking major butt, although their democracy reforms are no better than that in the US.
 
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