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    Re: Kim Jong Il Dies

    Saw Robin Meade of HLN announce this story at about 6:30 today. They were showing footage of people crying in NK over it, including their state-run media outlets.

    She appeared either moved by the crying or very confused, and I'm hoping for the later, because if any news person buys into the crying as genuine sadness, then they are on crack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Saw Robin Meade of HLN announce this story at about 6:30 today. They were showing footage of people crying in NK over it, including their state-run media outlets.

    She appeared either moved by the crying or very confused, and I'm hoping for the later, because if any news person buys into the crying as genuine sadness, then they are on crack.
    I don't know about that. I'm quite sure that a lot of North Koreans are, in fact, genuinely sad that he's dead. A lot of them have a VERY different perception of him than we do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I don't know about that. I'm quite sure that a lot of North Koreans are, in fact, genuinely sad that he's dead. A lot of them have a VERY different perception of him than we do.
    Your right, they've been manufactured a different reality to look at him with.

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    ı wonder what will happen now there.is there a raul castro of north koreans? if not we can see so exciting actions..
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    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I don't know about that. I'm quite sure that a lot of North Koreans are, in fact, genuinely sad that he's dead. A lot of them have a VERY different perception of him than we do.
    Basically this, that whole country is brainwashed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Saw Robin Meade of HLN announce this story at about 6:30 today. They were showing footage of people crying in NK over it, including their state-run media outlets.

    She appeared either moved by the crying or very confused, and I'm hoping for the later, because if any news person buys into the crying as genuine sadness, then they are on crack.
    Tons of people cried when Kennedy was assassinated, and he was only in office for like two years.
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    Re: Kim Jong Il Dies

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Tons of people cried when Kennedy was assassinated, and he was only in office for like two years.
    How many people were paid to cry?

    That's what I saw in that NK video release.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    About the transition:
    Right now it's too early to tell whether the transition will be smooth or rough.
    From about 2009, there was an internal power struggle in North Korea that many detected. Many power players were assassinated or died under mysterious circumstances.
    One of the most leading factions in the power struggle is Kim-Jong-Il's brother-in-law, Chang-Sung-Taek. He is reputed to have been the second most powerful man in North Korea (after Kim-Jong-Il himself), and is holding several powerful positions.
    Another faction is lead by Oh-Keok-Ryul, a general who was formerly the number second in North Korea, but had recently fallen out of favor by Kim-Jong-Il in favor of Chang-Sung-Taek. He still remains very powerful, still commanding respect in the North Korean military.
    There are of course, many competing interests and characters, and a power struggle, even a minor one, seems likely to happen.

    There's one thing that some people don't seems to grasp. It's that Kim-Jong-Uen's succession will/is very different from Kim-Jong-Il's smooth one. Kim-Jong Il was prepared for many years to succeed Kim-Il-Sung, and held military command and such important positions for many years before his father's death. He also probably engineered the 1983 Yangon bombing in Burma which almost killed the Korean president Bak-Chung-Hee, and the Korean Air Flight 858 bombing, which killed all 115 people in the airplane.

    However, Kim-Jong-Uen only had less than a decade to prepare, and the rapid weakening of Kim-Jong-Il's health sped it up. He's very young, much younger and inexperienced than Kim-Jong-Il was when he succeeded, and although appears to be very smart, is still yet very much young and inexperienced.

    It will be a very rough transition. I wouldn't be surprised if many key people in North Korea are killed or likewise eliminated
    IMO, some of the purging has already occurred and it was probably sufficient to clear the way for Kim Jong-un's succession. In the early years of his rule, I don't believe he'll be able to exert the kind of control his father and grandfather did. There will be ideological constraints (Juche and Songun) that are viewed as "immortal" accomplishments and institutional ones (military role) that will limit his capacity to chart a radically different course. However, the military and Kim family have a shared overriding interest in maintaining something close to the current system, so they will make it "work." I don't expect a coup or revolution.

    Unfortunately, only a handful of people have intimate knowledge and contacts with North Korea's key leaders (military and political). Most authorities the U.S. media rely on do not have that knowledge or relationships. It's a real problem for policy makers. Indeed, I believe that lack of knowlege is behind some Western countries' excessive optimism in viewing Kim Jong-il's passing as an opportunity for "opening."

    Finally, China's voicing confidence in Kim Jong-un (http://www.reuters.c...E7BI0EB20111219) also decreases prospects of a genuine challenge to his authority. China's sentiments amount to China's taking a position that the new Kim should be given the opportunity to lead North Korea. I believe he will, even as there are some constraints as noted above.

    In the meantime, I believe it is helpful that the U.S. has reaffirmed its commitments to South Korea's security. Making it abundantly clear that the U.S. views its bilateral relationship with South Korea as a critical one could help reduce North Korea's incentives to act in a provocative or worse fashion during its current political transition. North Korea's military leaders and its new political leader need to understand that the U.S. is 100% behind South Korea and willing and able to act to safeguard its partner and friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Basically this, that whole country is brainwashed.

    Have you seen the National Geographic doc with Lisa Ling? Fascinating look inside that messed up place.
    No I haven't, but I'll have to check into it. I've been looking at pictures from inside NK online and I find it all very fascinating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    How many people were paid to cry?

    That's what I saw in that NK video release.
    Really? I didn't see anyone get paid in that.
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