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    Re: Kim Jong Il Dies

    Another foreign policy victory for the Obama administration...
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Another foreign policy victory for the Obama administration...
    How? The US didn't kill him.

    But in other news, I offer a meme in remembrance: kim jong-il looking at things

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    Re: Kim Jong Il Dies

    It will be interesting to see who replaces him and what kind of sense that person has. the smart soon to be dictator would play this to the hilt dangling the promise of democracy in order to maximum foreign food aid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    How? The US didn't kill him.

    But in other news, I offer a meme in remembrance: kim jong-il looking at things
    Just wanted to see the responses, lol.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Kim Jong Il Dies

    double post
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    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Just wanted to see the responses, lol.
    So you admit you were trolling.

    Got it.

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    Re: Kim Jong Il Dies

    So Il is dead, and the son takes over....IMHO, it has one of two possible outcomes. either things stay the same, or the young leader now calls for aggression, the west hopes for a free NK, the same as they did when Castro turned over Cuba to his brother, what has changed there? Nah, I don't see things changing anytime soon.


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    Re: Kim Jong Il Dies

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    So you admit you were trolling.

    Got it.
    Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning...
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Kim Jong Il Dies

    About the transition:
    Right now it's too early to tell whether the transition will be smooth or rough.
    From about 2009, there was an internal power struggle in North Korea that many detected. Many power players were assassinated or died under mysterious circumstances.
    One of the most leading factions in the power struggle is Kim-Jong-Il's brother-in-law, Chang-Sung-Taek. He is reputed to have been the second most powerful man in North Korea (after Kim-Jong-Il himself), and is holding several powerful positions.
    Another faction is lead by Oh-Keok-Ryul, a general who was formerly the number second in North Korea, but had recently fallen out of favor by Kim-Jong-Il in favor of Chang-Sung-Taek. He still remains very powerful, still commanding respect in the North Korean military.
    There are of course, many competing interests and characters, and a power struggle, even a minor one, seems likely to happen.

    There's one thing that some people don't seems to grasp. It's that Kim-Jong-Uen's succession will/is very different from Kim-Jong-Il's smooth one. Kim-Jong Il was prepared for many years to succeed Kim-Il-Sung, and held military command and such important positions for many years before his father's death. He also probably engineered the 1983 Yangon bombing in Burma which almost killed the Korean president Bak-Chung-Hee, and the Korean Air Flight 858 bombing, which killed all 115 people in the airplane.

    However, Kim-Jong-Uen only had less than a decade to prepare, and the rapid weakening of Kim-Jong-Il's health sped it up. He's very young, much younger and inexperienced than Kim-Jong-Il was when he succeeded, and although appears to be very smart, is still yet very much young and inexperienced.

    It will be a very rough transition. I wouldn't be surprised if many key people in North Korea are killed or likewise eliminated
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    Re: Kim Jong Il Dies

    Anyone have any good information about how exactly things were structured under him? Anyone who might be in a position to make a power play while the son isn't established?

    First thing people have to realize is that this place isn't anything like any other so called communist states (but i don't want to argue over ideology). They have completely renounced even their lip service to communism in favor of the religion-in-disguise Juche. The old soviet states were run by atheist bureaucratic hacks, this place could be run by military religious/nationalist fanatics. Those two types of systems will not disintegrate in the same way as those who ran them have entirely different interests.

    It will be interesting to see if this 20th century monarchy will live on. They have no sort of long standing tradition to justify a hereditary line, but they have the state power and propaganda tactics that the old monarchs could only have dreamed of. The question be which has sunk in more, the fear of repression by the state or actual cult leader/juche fanaticism. Christopher Hitchens once said that he entered NK promising himself that he wouldn't compare it to 1984. He found that to be more impossible the more he saw the people themselves. Scary stuff.

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