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House leader rejects Senate payroll tax plan(edited)

Re: Boehner bows to Teaparty and reverses support for payroll tax cut deal.

Good thing those businesses have to pay extra taxes that keep that unemployement check flowing. They wouldn't want anyone to miss getting their share.

I believe the extension is funded by the federal government.
 
Re: Boehner bows to Teaparty and reverses support for payroll tax cut deal.

I believe the extension is funded by the federal government.

think your correct. What continues to be an issue is not offsetting the costs of the extenstion by raising revenue or cutting costs. In the end it is us that pays taxes that will have to pay for it.
 
Re: Boehner bows to Teaparty and reverses support for payroll tax cut deal.

think your correct. What continues to be an issue is not offsetting the costs of the extenstion by raising revenue or cutting costs. In the end it is us that pays taxes that will have to pay for it.

It is a concern, of course, but IMO it's self defeating to stimulate the economy with a tax cut, on the one hand, and then destimulate the economy with spending cuts on the other. It should be paid for with spending cuts and revenue hikes in 2013 and beyond.
 
Re: Boehner bows to Teaparty and reverses support for payroll tax cut deal.

It's funny how Republicans criticize Obama if he can't garner 100% of his congressional caucus to overcome a filibuster, but Boehner gets a pass when he is consistently unable to corral even a simple majority of his caucus for significant measures like this one. I can't remember a less effective Speaker of the House.
Indeed. The Tea Party caucus has certainly made him their bitch.
 
Re: Boehner bows to Teaparty and reverses support for payroll tax cut deal.

[...] Most people don't even know that the Senate bill includes a $17 monthly surcharge on all new home loans and refinance loans to pay for this. Is that really a good way to pay for this when the housing market is already in the dump ??
It is a horrible way to pay for it, but we may assume that is the only way the Senate Republicans would pass it (we know they certainly would not bill the rich for it, but seem to have no problem billing the middle class).
 
Re: Boehner bows to Teaparty and reverses support for payroll tax cut deal.

Why can't Obama garner the support of the Senate Dems ??? He obviously can't garner enough votes there to get the year long bill he asked for ??
He would need 60 Senate Dems. There are not that many... you know that, right?

And the House wouldn't pass it even if he had 60 Senate Dems. You know that, right?
 
Re: Boehner bows to Teaparty and reverses support for payroll tax cut deal.

Unemployment payments are a very effective form of stimulus because the unemployed push close to 100% of what they receive back into the economy. That benefits the businesses community, and the better businesses do, the more inclined they are to hire.

Great Answer. I buy that.

When does unemployment become to long? 99 weeks seems like a long time, and that is already an extension.
 
Re: Boehner bows to Teaparty and reverses support for payroll tax cut deal.

He would need 60 Senate Dems. There are not that many... you know that, right?

And the House wouldn't pass it even if he had 60 Senate Dems. You know that, right?

I'm not even going to attempt to respond to this. You need to go back and read the posts again because you have it all bollixed up.
 
Re: Boehner bows to Teaparty and reverses support for payroll tax cut deal.

It is a horrible way to pay for it, but we may assume that is the only way the Senate Republicans would pass it (we know they certainly would not bill the rich for it, but seem to have no problem billing the middle class).

You shouldn't ASSume.
 
Re: Boehner bows to Teaparty and reverses support for payroll tax cut deal.

It is a concern, of course, but IMO it's self defeating to stimulate the economy with a tax cut, on the one hand, and then destimulate the economy with spending cuts on the other. It should be paid for with spending cuts and revenue hikes in 2013 and beyond.

You don't consider a $17 monthly fee increase on every house sold or refinanced a "destimulate" on the economy ??

The downward spiral of the housing market is what started this mess, thanks to Barney and friends.
 
Re: Boehner bows to Teaparty and reverses support for payroll tax cut deal.

You don't consider a $17 monthly fee increase on every house sold or refinanced a "destimulate" on the economy ??

The downward spiral of the housing market is what started this mess, thanks to Barney and friends.

Yes, I do. I think that the fee is an idiotic idea. If it has to be paid for *now* (and again, it shouldn't be) then the Dems had the best idea, re: a surtax on income over a million dollars.
 
Re: Boehner bows to Teaparty and reverses support for payroll tax cut deal.

Yes, I do. I think that the fee is an idiotic idea. If it has to be paid for *now* (and again, it shouldn't be) then the Dems had the best idea, re: a surtax on income over a million dollars.

The mortgage fee is the Dems idea.
 
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The mortgage fee is the Dems idea.

Mmm, I think it originated in the Republicans' bill and the Dems adopted it when decided to drop the millionaire surtax. It's in the House bill.
 
House leader rejects Senate payroll tax plan - CNN.com

The spineless GOP House leader has shown his weakness again by changing his position on the bipartisan Senate payroll tax cut deal. After first saying "It was a good deal" he now says he opposes it. As Nancy put it ""By holding up this bipartisan compromise, tea party House Republicans are walking away once again, showing their extremism and clearly demonstrating that they never intended to give the middle class a tax cut," Pelosi said.

is it any wonder that the approval rating of Congress is in the single digits? Allowing a minority to determine policy is against our Constitution isn't it?
Boehner needs to grow a pair and get his House in order. We the people need to throw those Koch employees out of the House in 2012 or face more and more obstructionism.

are those who constantly whine about Koch actually soros-slurpers?

Obama is a turd, opposing him is good for America
 
Re: Boehner bows to Teaparty and reverses support for payroll tax cut deal.

Yes, I do. I think that the fee is an idiotic idea. If it has to be paid for *now* (and again, it shouldn't be) then the Dems had the best idea, re: a surtax on income over a million dollars.

best idea for those who are envious of the rich and think the rich have a duty to fund everyone's social security fund payments
 
Re: Boehner bows to Teaparty and reverses support for payroll tax cut deal.

It is a horrible way to pay for it, but we may assume that is the only way the Senate Republicans would pass it (we know they certainly would not bill the rich for it, but seem to have no problem billing the middle class).

social security should be paid for by those who stand to collect SS payments. It should not be another scheme to make the rich pay for your benefits
 
Re: Boehner bows to Teaparty and reverses support for payroll tax cut deal.

social security should be paid for by those who stand to collect SS payments. It should not be another scheme to make the rich pay for your benefits

So by your own criteria that would be all Americans who have ever paid into it.

I can agree to that.
 
Re: Boehner bows to Teaparty and reverses support for payroll tax cut deal.

So by your own criteria that would be all Americans who have ever paid into it.

I can agree to that.

the rich shouldn't have to fund any part of your share of the payments

if the rich pay more they should get a proportionately higher benefit
 
Re: Boehner bows to Teaparty and reverses support for payroll tax cut deal.

[...] if the rich pay more they should get a proportionately higher benefit
The poor pay proportionately much, much more than the rich.
 
Re: Boehner bows to Teaparty and reverses support for payroll tax cut deal.

the rich shouldn't have to fund any part of your share of the payments

if the rich pay more they should get a proportionately higher benefit

Now you are moving the goal posts from your original statement.

Remember Turtle, Social Security is NOT an IRA. For you to confuse the two or pretend to confuse the two is intellectually dishonest. To do so ignores the SOCIAL aspect of the term SOCIAL SECURITY. But you already know that because this has been pointed out to you nearly every time this subject arises.
 
Re: Boehner bows to Teaparty and reverses support for payroll tax cut deal.

best idea for those who are envious of the rich and think the rich have a duty to fund everyone's social security fund payments

Perhaps. Also the best idea for those who just want to see the economy recover sooner than later.
 
Re: Boehner bows to Teaparty and reverses support for payroll tax cut deal.

the rich shouldn't have to fund any part of your share of the payments

if the rich pay more they should get a proportionately higher benefit

As they do.
 
Re: Boehner bows to Teaparty and reverses support for payroll tax cut deal.

Why can't Obama garner the support of the Senate Dems ??? He obviously can't garner enough votes there to get the year long bill he asked for ??

How can he garner what aren't there? The Democrats need 60 votes to bypass Republican filibuster, and there aren't 60 Democrats in the Senate.
 
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