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    Re: Christopher Hitchens Dies dec 15 at age 62

    I rather liked this letter in the Guardian: 'Christopher Hitchens, by common consent the greatest man of the last century and probably in the entire history of the world, has just died. But this fact has been shamefully ignored by the Guardian. So far I have only found half the front page, a double-page news spread, a cartoon, a leader, a full-page obituary and half Simon Hoggart's column. Where are your priorities? Can I look forward to a special supplement soon?' It is signed by Linda Evans. A previous leter compares this obsessive stuff with the ignoring of Vic Finkelstein who . 'made a difference to the lives of untold thousands throughthe pioneering role he played in the disabled people's movement'. That one's by Beter Beresford of Brunel. They speak for me.

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    Re: Christopher Hitchens Dies dec 15 at age 62

    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    Aren't we rather forgetting the point that Hitchens - though comparatively well read for the job - was at best a journalist, saying things for money and making a terrible fuss about it to make himself appear bold and radical?
    Who's forgetting that?


    Like so many, he found a dull remake of the battles of Darwin and Huxley with the reactionaries a useful displacement activity from serious politics, in which he grovelled to the powers-that-be in a fairly disgusting manner.
    He never really claimed to be a science head, and that never really underpinned his arguments as strongly as the other pop Atheists so the comparison to Darwin and Huxley is disingenuous. Dawkins and Harris would be more apt comparisons. In a similar fashion, it didn't seem like economics had much bearing on his political views, probably because he wasn't that well read on it or couldn't grasp it. He was still discussing geopolitics till the end either way.

    I'm not sure what you mean by grovelling to the powers that be. You mean supporting the Iraq war? Would he not have been grovelling to Schroeder and Chirac if he stood against it? Or is it simply not possible to be anything other than a shill for "powers that be" if one supported the war?

    In America, where the religious quarrel has also been revived as one of the substitutes for politics, I'm sure he seemed more interesting. For someone like me who was in I.S. at the same time as he was, it is considerably less so: he was following a very well-worn trail.
    Since you don't really grasp what form his anti-religious tirades took, I'm not sure that they didn't fly entirely over your head unlike any Americans or others you're talking down to.

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    Re: Christopher Hitchens Dies dec 15 at age 62

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    He never really claimed to be a science head, and that never really underpinned his arguments as strongly as the other pop Atheists so the comparison to Darwin and Huxley is disingenuous. Dawkins and Harris would be more apt comparisons. In a similar fashion, it didn't seem like economics had much bearing on his political views, probably because he wasn't that well read on it or couldn't grasp it. He was still discussing geopolitics till the end either way.
    He was, like me, a member of the International Socialism Group. They had a remarkably good education programme: he knew exactly what he was doing when he talked political gobbledegook for money.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    I'm not sure what you mean by grovelling to the powers that be. You mean supporting the Iraq war? Would he not have been grovelling to Schroeder and Chirac if he stood against it? Or is it simply not possible to be anything other than a shill for "powers that be" if one supported the war?.
    No - he would have been opposing imperialism, as he knew very well - so he invented political illiteracies like 'Islamo-fascist' to make believe he was still human.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Since you don't really grasp what form his anti-religious tirades took, I'm not sure that they didn't fly entirely over your head unlike any Americans or others you're talking down to.
    I don't understand this. In the country we were brought up in it wasn't an issue: he was doing this stuff because it went down big with Americans and brought in money.
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    Re: Christopher Hitchens Dies dec 15 at age 62

    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    he was doing this stuff because it went down big with Americans and brought in money.
    That's your opinion, and you could say the same thing about anyone who is good at what they do and makes money at it.

    I've watched many debates, I've read a number of books and read alot of articles involving religion and world politics. Hitchens debates were always the best, his books were among my favorites and his articles were amongst the best I've read. To me that means something and I will miss his contributions.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Christopher Hitchens Dies dec 15 at age 62

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    That's your opinion, and you could say the same thing about anyone who is good at what they do and makes money at it.

    I've watched many debates, I've read a number of books and read alot of articles involving religion and world politics. Hitchens debates were always the best, his books were among my favorites and his articles were amongst the best I've read. To me that means something and I will miss his contributions.
    I ditto that RoughDraft...thanks.

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    Re: Writer Christopher Hitchens Dies

    Hitchens was an antisemite and a christian basher. He is forever burning in a lake of fire about now. Good riddance. The world will be a better place with out the SOB.
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    Re: Writer Christopher Hitchens Dies

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Hitchens was an antisemite and a christian basher. He is forever burning in a lake of fire about now. Good riddance. The world will be a better place with out the SOB.
    Haha - acting like a Christian and not like Jesus, I see.

    He wasn't an Anti-Semite and, if by "Christian basher," you mean he didn't tread lightly as to avoid stepping on its toes, you'd be correct. He didn't give religion special treatment, one of his best qualities.

    The world is a better place without him? How so? His journalistic contributions, books, and debates will be surely missed.
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    Re: Writer Christopher Hitchens Dies

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Hitchens was an antisemite and a christian basher. He is forever burning in a lake of fire about now. Good riddance. The world will be a better place with out the SOB.
    He also bashed Muslims and many other religions.

    Something tells me he would have really loved your post about him, lol.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Writer Christopher Hitchens Dies

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Hitchens was an antisemite and a christian basher. He is forever burning in a lake of fire about now. Good riddance. The world will be a better place with out the SOB.
    He might have been a lot of things, but he was not an anti-semite. And he isn't burning in a lake of fire now, because nobody except the brain dead and four year old children believe in that nonsense. But I'm sure you're a 'good Christian' and merely expressing the sentiments of the rest of your deluded ilk.

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    Re: Writer Christopher Hitchens Dies

    What I would give to see his face when he arrived at the gates of hell and realized that he was wrong and nothing can save him from eternal damnation.
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