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    Re: Christopher Hitchens Dies dec 15 at age 62

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    I'm not sure I follow how you came to the conclusion that eloquence = arrogance, particularly since I said nothing about eloquence.
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    Being eloquent does nothing to refute the fact that you sound arrogant. I can be quite eloquent when I want to be and at the same time sound arrogant. Eloquent concerns how the speaker goes about using language. Arrogant concerns how the speaker views himself.
    That's why I said I didn't follow. What makes Hitch so "arrogant?" what did he say that made you make this claim?
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    Re: Christopher Hitchens Dies dec 15 at age 62

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    That's why I said I didn't follow. What makes Hitch so "arrogant?" what did he say that made you make this claim?
    I don't know what those posters meant, and they may be making a genuine point. But for some people knowing intellectual terms or classical, even modern classical, writers is a sign of pomposity and arrogance and such things. I found him the most eloquent, in writing, of the New Atheists, though I don't think he was outstandingly eloquent in writing. I thought he had a very similar style to his brother, but though the prose of God is not Great was relatively good, he was somewhat more rambling than Peter generally is, as say he is in The Abolition of Britain. It was certainly in verbal discussion where he excelled.
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    Re: Christopher Hitchens Dies dec 15 at age 62

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    That's why I said I didn't follow. What makes Hitch so "arrogant?" what did he say that made you make this claim?
    I'm not going to search for quotes because I care that little about this. I thought he was arrogant because his attitude was often "marked by or arising from a feeling or assumption of one's superiority toward others".

    arrogant - definition of arrogant by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

    Is there a reason why my opinion is so difficult for you to accept? I have already assumed that it has something to do with the fact that you can't handle criticism of people who share your opinions. Am I wrong?

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    Re: Christopher Hitchens Dies dec 15 at age 62

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    I don't know what those posters meant, and they may be making a genuine point. But for some people knowing intellectual terms or classical, even modern classical, writers is a sign of pomposity and arrogance and such things.
    Yeah, no. I went to a university where "intellectual terms" and knowing "classical and modern writers" was a requirement for classes. Let's try to make it through this without assuming the worst and becoming arrogant ourselves by assuming that those who have opinions have them because they don't read books.

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    Re: Christopher Hitchens Dies dec 15 at age 62

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I'm not going to search for quotes because I care that little about this. I thought he was arrogant because his attitude was often "marked by or arising from a feeling or assumption of one's superiority toward others".

    arrogant - definition of arrogant by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

    Is there a reason why my opinion is so difficult for you to accept? I have already assumed that it has something to do with the fact that you can't handle criticism of people who share your opinions. Am I wrong?
    I can accept criticism of him, but, make it well-founded.
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    Re: Christopher Hitchens Dies dec 15 at age 62

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    I can accept criticism of him, but, make it well-founded.
    Why should I? It's such an unimportant point. If I call Pope Benedict arrogant will you accuse me of crying and then demand "evidence" from me over something so trivial or do you only do these sorts of things when someone criticizes those who share your opinions?

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    Re: Christopher Hitchens Dies dec 15 at age 62

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Why should I? It's such an unimportant point. If I call Pope Benedict arrogant will you accuse me of crying and then demand "evidence" from me over something so trivial or do you only do these sorts of things when someone criticizes those who share your opinions?
    People who share my opinions.
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    Re: Christopher Hitchens Dies dec 15 at age 62

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Yeah, no. I went to a university where "intellectual terms" and knowing "classical and modern writers" was a requirement for classes. Let's try to make it through this without assuming the worst and becoming arrogant ourselves by assuming that those who have opinions have them because they don't read books.
    I specifically stated I wasn't necessarily referring to those in this thread. I wasn't referring to you, at least. I apologise if I wasn't clear enough. There are certain people who find it pompous or arrogant simply if you ever quote respected writers or use rarefied terms.
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    Re: Christopher Hitchens Dies dec 15 at age 62

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    People who share my opinions.
    That's what I thought. At least you're honest which is more than I can say for most people.

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    Re: Christopher Hitchens Dies dec 15 at age 62

    Aren't we rather forgetting the point that Hitchens - though comparatively well read for the job - was at best a journalist, saying things for money and making a terrible fuss about it to make himself appear bold and radical? Like so many, he found a dull remake of the battles of Darwin and Huxley with the reactionaries a useful displacement activity from serious politics, in which he grovelled to the powers-that-be in a fairly disgusting manner. In America, where the religious quarrel has also been revived as one of the substitutes for politics, I'm sure he seemed more interesting. For someone like me who was in I.S. at the same time as he was, it is considerably less so: he was following a very well-worn trail.

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