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Census shows 1 in 2 people are poor or low-income

Meathead said:
I really don't understand what you are complaining about. You are a student so you are making an investment. You made a conscience decision to forgo short-term income in the interests of increasing your chances of financial success in the future. Your choice, and I hope it's a good one. But you need to suck it up instead of whining that for a supposedly short period you are having difficulties living off your your gf's 40K a year.

I find it surprising that people often think that the world owes them an education or a living. Maybe it's not progressive enough of me, but then I really don't give a rat's ass.
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When the **** did I whine? Libertarians man, you could learn from HG. He is one of the few that pulls of being libertarian and not being condescending when talking about money/finance. I challenge you to look through your idiotic comments there and match them up to anything I have said previously in this thread. You cannot do it, because you are arguing with yourself.

Harry Guerrilla said:
I wasn't easy, at first.
It took a change in thinking to do it.

I'm honestly not skating by.
Like a business, I'm constantly reviewing our expenses looking for ways to save, cut or exchange for less expensive services but with the same or near same quality.
Household finances should be run like a business, which many people seem to forget.

My mortgage is $470, I just pay a rounded $500, no tax exemptions at the moment.
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I believe you. I once took a personal finance class that delved into that world, but I do not know if I (or most people) are disciplined enough to do what you do. It requires not only being thrifty, but being somewhat intelligent about things as well, being prepared beforehand (having water with you when you are out to drink or packing your own lunches), and just cutting all frivolous spending to bare essentials. I think most people don't even realize how much money they spend on miscellaneous items, but either way, $30k is not a fantastic salary and I would consider it near the poverty level.
 
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American said:
Does anyone really believe that 1/2 of the US population is poor?
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1Perry said:
I discussed that elsewhere.
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You brought it up in this thread and then failed to prove it, but whatever..............
 
haymarket said:
Those thousands or tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of shareholders DO NOT make the daily decisions of running those businesses and you darn well know that.
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most businesses aren't owned by millions or tens of thousands. and when management makes a decision the majority of stockholders don't like (or the majority of the shares I should say) there is going to be hell to pay.

many liberals think that corporations exist to fund leftwing socialist programs with tax dollars and to give people wages whether the company needs their labor or not

with that sort of confusion there is no wonder that we see so many erroneous postings about corporations
 
Meathead said:
"About 97.3 million Americans fall into a low-income category, commonly defined as those earning between 100 and 199 percent of the poverty level, based on a new supplemental measure by the Census Bureau that is designed to provide a fuller picture of poverty. Together with the 49.1 million who fall below the poverty line and are counted as poor, they number 146.4 million, or 48 percent of the U.S. population. That's up by 4 million from 2009, the earliest numbers for the newly developed poverty gauge."

From the article. By renaming what used to be considered lower-middle class with low-income, we have effectively split the middle class. I accept that this new "class" has grown in a period of recession, high unemployment and Obama, but what we have here is trying to convince one third of the US population that the are no longer middle class but are now considered low income. I do not recall if there was a term other than lower-middle class before it was redefined in 2009.

Obviously, this is a way of taking people who are not poor and labeling them 'low income' and then using a 'poor/low income' association to inflate numbers. Many people either don't want to or intellectually can't make the distinction.
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I guess we need to double their welfare checks, don't we?
 
TurtleDude said:
I think he voted 14 times for Obama in three different counties
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Well with Democrats not wanting voters showing ID's and all, it's no wonder.
 
many liberals think that corporations exist to fund leftwing socialist programs with tax dollars and to give people wages whether the company needs their labor or not
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How many is many? Do you have a source or are you just button pushing?

with that sort of confusion there is no wonder that we see so many erroneous postings about corporations
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How many is many?
erroneous postings about corporations
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is that your opinion or do you have the numbers verifying erroneous postings?
 
Thunder said:
good thing voter fraud is not a serious issue in the USA.
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I don't give a **** whether it is or not; I want every mother****er showing their ID when they vote. That includes all the illegals and deceased Democrats they can dig up.
 
Thunder said:
good thing voter fraud is not a serious issue in the USA.
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nor are honest people with guns but you want honest people to only have handguns if some bureaucrat decides they can

and why do you people who claim to be "for the poor" want the poor disarmed and helpless in the face of crime
 
Thunder said:
wow, so you want govt. to spend a lot of time and energy on a non-problem?

sounds like a real waste of very rare government funds.
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this is coming from a guy who supports the costly, idiotic and most likely unconstitutional NYC anti gun laws that hassle only honest people?
 
TurtleDude said:
nor are honest people with guns but you want honest people to only have handguns if some bureaucrat decides they can

and why do you people who claim to be "for the poor" want the poor disarmed and helpless in the face of crime
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honestly TD, don't we have enough threads about gun-control???
 
Thunder said:
honestly TD, don't we have enough threads about gun-control???
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not nearly as many as we have threads about lefties whining about the rich and how bad the poor have it
 
Thunder said:
wow, so you want govt. to spend a lot of time and energy on a non-problem?

sounds like a real waste of very rare government funds.
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It's not problem at all. I show my ID when I vote. I just get it out of my pocket, no problem.
 
American said:
I don't give a **** whether it is or not; I want every mother****er showing their ID when they vote. That includes all the illegals and deceased Democrats they can dig up.
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Is that really what you want? Are you sure or do you just want to make it difficult for the poor and the elderly to vote? You know this may back fire on the republicans and actually cost them the election, think about it, 57% of registered republican voters did not think that President Obama was born in the USA now I don't know what that implies to you but to me it means that they did not believe that the Republican National Party had the ability to determine whether President Obama was born in the USA or they were just so ignorant that they would believe any thing they heard or saw. Now do you think those fine 57% of the registered republican voters actually have picture ID'S
 
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Thunder said:
yes, the poor do have it bad.

would you walk in their shoes for even a month?
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you seem confused, the reason why I worked hard, made top grades, went to top schools and earned top degrees is so I wouldn't have to. and I am not responsible for anyone being poor so WTF do I have a duty to take care of their problems?

especially since so many of them are unwilling to make any effort to take care of themselves
 
EarlzP said:
Is that really what you want? Are you sure or do you just want to make it difficult for the poor and the elderly to vote? You know this may back fire on the republicans and actually cost them the election, think about it, 57% of registered republican voters did not think that President Obama was born in the USA now I don't know what that implies to you but to me it means that they did not believe that the Republican National Party had the ability to determine whether President Obama was born in the USA or they were just so ignorant that they would believe any thing they heard or saw. Now do you think those fine 57% of the registered republican voters actually have picture ID'S
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anyone who finds showing an ID so arduous as to deter them from voting is probably way too stupid to be voting in the first place
 
TurtleDude said:
you seem confused, the reason why I worked hard, made top grades, went to top schools and earned top degrees is so I wouldn't have to. and I am not responsible for anyone being poor so WTF do I have a duty to take care of their problems?...
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I have no problem with my tax-dollars going to a 5-year welfare program for folks that are down on their luck.

all sorts of people go on public assistance. I remember years ago, we almost had a welfare-to-work person who had a Phd.

we were like.."what??????? someone with a Phd was on welfare????" but it was true.

times are tough, and all sorts of folks need help. my cousin's husband was a stock broker, got laid off in 2008, and had to go on unemployment. I don't think he thought he'd ever be in such a position. but it happens to even the luckiest and most fortunate of us all.
 
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