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    Re: Census shows 1 in 2 people are poor or low-income

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I cannot help it if you want to derail the direction I was taking the thread and you cannot understand what I was saying.

    I don't use anything more than you do but I suspect I pay more taxes a month than you do in several years
    I think you may have a control issue
    derail the direction I was taking the thread
    Maybe I have misinterpreted the whining you do at the thought that your tax dollars may help those less fortunate then you
    the rich dems who are creating addiction to government handouts
    I don't use the court house in my work, I don't use the legal system in my work, do you? My taxes and the taxes of every tax payer are used to create the facilities and the legal system you use in your work and then you cry about government spending.

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    Re: Census shows 1 in 2 people are poor or low-income

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Well, I was around then as well.

    Wouldn't they? It allows correction, which allows a second bite, which would make more people eligiable, and likely hide some issues.

    Still, our problems are not just related to the 70's or the 80's. And every effort has been made to make sure people had access to credit, even if it is rento own, and real ripoff of the poorer folks in our country.
    Yea this is really about why are some of the middle class moving down instead of staying at or moving up from middle class.
    Credit over usage is but one of the problems.
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    Re: Census shows 1 in 2 people are poor or low-income

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    I think you may have a control issue Maybe I have misinterpreted the whining you do at the thought that your tax dollars may help those less fortunate then you

    I don't use the court house in my work, I don't use the legal system in my work, do you? My taxes and the taxes of every tax payer are used to create the facilities and the legal system you use in your work and then you cry about government spending.
    I didn't ever attend a public school

    I have never been arrested

    I have never personally sued anyone

    I have never needed the public to pay for an emergency room visit

    I never needed publicly guaranteed or financed student loan

    lawyers in my state pay several hundred dollars in registration fees. any suit we file requires a 450 dollar fee. many court cases are criminal in nature involving the prosecution of criminals for the benefit of all citizens.

    I also pay more taxes than the salary of two federal judges. You use far more of the government than i do and pay far less for it

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    Re: Census shows 1 in 2 people are poor or low-income

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I didn't ever attend a public school

    I have never been arrested

    I have never personally sued anyone

    I have never needed the public to pay for an emergency room visit

    I never needed publicly guaranteed or financed student loan

    lawyers in my state pay several hundred dollars in registration fees. any suit we file requires a 450 dollar fee. many court cases are criminal in nature involving the prosecution of criminals for the benefit of all citizens.

    I also pay more taxes than the salary of two federal judges. You use far more of the government than i do and pay far less for it
    Were you under the impression that filing fees pay for our judicial system?

    Do you never tire of telling people how much money you (allegedly) make? I'd have thought they'd teach better manners at your finishing schools.

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    Re: Census shows 1 in 2 people are poor or low-income

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Were you under the impression that filing fees pay for our judicial system?

    Do you never tire of telling people how much money you (allegedly) make? I'd have thought they'd teach better manners at your finishing schools.
    I think someone else said that the system benefits him more than anything else.
    I think he merely stated that it doesn't operate on, "push button, receive bacon" type principles and that there is a lot more to it, than is believed.
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    Re: Census shows 1 in 2 people are poor or low-income

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Lets examine some of these wealthy dems

    Bill Clinton-until he left the presidency he never had a job that would make him a millionaire. If he had been just another lawyer in Arkansas, I doubt he would be worth the many millions he is today

    Al Gore's father campaigned as the poor country school teacher. until he left the senate and became a Pawn of Armand Hammer, he never held a job that paid more than 85K a year yet he died a multimillionaire

    How did the Kennedy family get its wealth? through Public office
    Your post ignores the reality that GOP politicians also emerged from public service with fortunes. But tell me again about how your Great Satan FDR used his evil powers to make himself a fortune in government.
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    Re: Census shows 1 in 2 people are poor or low-income

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Your post ignores the reality that GOP politicians also emerged from public service with fortunes. But tell me again about how your Great Satan FDR used his evil powers to make himself a fortune in government.
    FDR was born rich IIRC. why fixate on him when the History of our Nation is littered with rich dems whose mantra was whining about the plight of the poor as they used Public Office to gain massive wealth.

    Do you know why I rag on the dems for this-the same reason why lefties rag on people like Newt, or Larry Craig's indiscretion. Bashing Barney Frank for allowing his boyfriend to use his apartment to run a chicken hawking ring is not as damning since Frank has never claimed to be a straight and narrow family man.

    The GOP isn't the party that gains votes by pandering to the envious, the untalented or the unfortunate by pissing and moaning about the wealthy

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    Re: Census shows 1 in 2 people are poor or low-income

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    FDR was born rich IIRC. why fixate on him when the History of our Nation is littered with rich dems whose mantra was whining about the plight of the poor as they used Public Office to gain massive wealth.
    We agree lets get rid of all of the lobbyist and those that remain in public office will be there to serve the people who elected them

    Do you know why I rag on the dems for this-the same reason why lefties rag on people like Newt, or Larry Craig's indiscretion.Bashing Barney Frank for allowing his boyfriend to use his apartment to run a chicken hawking ring is not as damning since Frank has never claimed to be a straight and narrow family man.
    Making accusations with out providing a verifiable source speaks for itself, Personally I don't give two sh-ts about Newts indiscretions but chicken hawking is a crime regardless of who's involved or who you know so provide a source

    The GOP isn't the party that gains votes by pandering to the envious, the untalented or the unfortunate by pissing and moaning about the wealthy
    Your right the GOP shows little empathy for those in need and panders to those who have god given talent, have money, have the means to survive

    I didn't ever attend a public school
    So you were fortunate enough to be born into a circumstance where you were able to attend private schools

    I have never been arrested
    Poor you what a great educational opportunity you missed

    I have never personally sued anyone
    So what is your point?

    I have never needed the public to pay for an emergency room visit
    It's obvious that you have never needed to rely on any thing that those less fortunate needed to depend on for thier existance

    I never needed publicly guaranteed or financed student loan
    It's obvious that you have never needed to rely on any thing that those less fortunate needed to depend on for thier existance

    lawyers in my state pay several hundred dollars in registration fees. any suit we file requires a 450 dollar fee. many court cases are criminal in nature involving the prosecution of criminals for the benefit of all citizens.
    So it's okay to spend taxpayer dollars prosecuting people, but not okay if some one needs emergency room care or other basic essential need items, explain it to me so I can under stand it better

    I also pay more taxes than the salary of two federal judges. You use far more of the government than i do and pay far less for it
    You have no idea of what I do and don't do or what I pay or don't pay, the obvious difference between us is that you think you are superior to the majority of people and that it would not bother you to see sick and elderly people dying on the side walk. You have no empathy for those less fortunate then you, you are driven by your lust for the dollar and I am driven by my lust for life

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    Re: Census shows 1 in 2 people are poor or low-income

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    ..The GOP isn't the party that gains votes by pandering to the envious, the untalented or the unfortunate by pissing and moaning about the wealthy
    no, the GOP is the party that gains votes by pandering to the whiny wealthy, those who inherited their great wealth without having to actually work for it, those who happily send tens of thousands of American jobs overseas (treason), and the greedy by pissing & moaning about the poor.

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    Re: Census shows 1 in 2 people are poor or low-income

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    Think the role of the Federal government should be to "spread the wealth"...?
    Absolutely! What is government but the administrative arm of a society. If a society deems economic change is necessary, the government is the one single institution with sufficient clout (size) and authority (it is the administrative arm of the people) to administer such change. Moreover, as the government had a substantial role in creating the disparity (cutting the highest marginal tax rates), it has the responsibility to fix it (by raising the marginal tax rate). Note the chart below which correlates changes in the highest marginal rate with wealth disparity.

    We have created a pay me NOW (short-term focused) society largely through our tax policies. The bifurcation of the classes is the substantial result of lowering the highest marginal rates. Lowering this rate encouraged business owners to take capital out of their business rather than re-invest. The higher the marginal rate, the more government essentially subsidizes that investment and penalizes high salaries encouraging capital to stay with in the business. On the other hand, lower capital gains taxes (true capital gains rather than stock trades) coupled with higher income taxes work to greatly encourage the owner to look long-term for his/her economic reward.

    With low marginal rates, it makes more sense for owners to move money from the risky venture to his bank account. It also encourages business owners to maximize profits by squeezing labor though 1) more outsourcing, 2) miniminal middle management and 2) more hours per employeees; each enabled by increasingly weakened unions. Business executives, who have more power in negotition, also insist on high salaries and bonuses as their taxes are low, rather than looking to longer-term payouts, which would better align them with the long-term interest of the business (and our economy)ceo pay.jpgwealthgapchart1.jpg

    Short answer: raise the highest marginal rates (including the definition of the highest brackets) about 50% and this gets fixed.
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