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    Re: Census shows 1 in 2 people are poor or low-income

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It does make one wonder why they supposedly passed High School, yet are so ill informed as to how wealth redistribution doesn't work, and never has.

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    You missed the title of the thread, the title of the article, and didn't make it to the 2nd paragraph of the article, and you want to discuss people's education levels?

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    Re: Census shows 1 in 2 people are poor or low-income

    The government pulled us out of the Great Depression. What kind of an even greater mess would we be in now if the banks had been allowed to fail this time? That part of the stimulus was started under Bush. Government helped the auto industry out successfully also. Asking 1% of people who have been making record profits to return to a reasonable tax scale we once had is only fair. As for productive members of society, the millionnaires club isn't any more productive than anyone else. Someone slaving away working two minimum wage jobs is very "productive."
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    Re: Census shows 1 in 2 people are poor or low-income

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Well, I don't know what comment I made was "snarky" nor do I know where I said the "Obama administration is just using census data to make this argument". However for my claim that Yahoo is just using census data, from the OP:

    Census shows 1 in 2 people are poor or low-income

    Yes, it's the title of the thread, the title of the article, and it is in the 2nd paragraph of the article - so I am not sure how you missed it (data from Census Bureau Home Page)

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    Ok, you're right...Just read it, and other than this section:

    Robert Rector, a senior research fellow at the conservative Heritage Foundation, questioned whether some people classified as poor or low-income actually suffer material hardship. He said that while safety-net programs have helped many Americans, they have gone too far. He said some people described as poor live in decent-size homes, drive cars and own wide-screen TVs.

    "There's no doubt the recession has thrown a lot of people out of work and incomes have fallen," Rector said. "As we come out of recession, it will be important that these programs promote self-sufficiency rather than dependence and encourage people to look for work."
    I see little else than the AP promoting Obama's class warfare, and bemoaning how we need more entitlements. Again, am I missing something?


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    Re: Census shows 1 in 2 people are poor or low-income

    "About 97.3 million Americans fall into a low-income category, commonly defined as those earning between 100 and 199 percent of the poverty level, based on a new supplemental measure by the Census Bureau that is designed to provide a fuller picture of poverty. Together with the 49.1 million who fall below the poverty line and are counted as poor, they number 146.4 million, or 48 percent of the U.S. population. That's up by 4 million from 2009, the earliest numbers for the newly developed poverty gauge."

    From the article. By renaming what used to be considered lower-middle class with low-income, we have effectively split the middle class. I accept that this new "class" has grown in a period of recession, high unemployment and Obama, but what we have here is trying to convince one third of the US population that the are no longer middle class but are now considered low income. I do not recall if there was a term other than lower-middle class before it was redefined in 2009.

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    Re: Census shows 1 in 2 people are poor or low-income

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, you're right...Just read it, and other than this section:

    I see little else than the AP promoting Obama's class warfare, and bemoaning how we need more entitlements. Again, am I missing something?

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    Hey where did you get that quote from? Seems weird that if they were trying to push the "Obama class warfare" that they would include a conservative statistician.

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    Re: Census shows 1 in 2 people are poor or low-income

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    "About 97.3 million Americans fall into a low-income category, commonly defined as those earning between 100 and 199 percent of the poverty level, based on a new supplemental measure by the Census Bureau that is designed to provide a fuller picture of poverty. Together with the 49.1 million who fall below the poverty line and are counted as poor, they number 146.4 million, or 48 percent of the U.S. population. That's up by 4 million from 2009, the earliest numbers for the newly developed poverty gauge."

    From the article. By renaming what used to be considered lower-middle class with low-income, we have effectively split the middle class. I accept that this new "class" has grown in a period of recession, high unemployment and Obama, but what we have here is trying to convince one third of the US population that the are no longer middle class but are now considered low income. I do not recall if there was a term other than lower-middle class before it was redefined in 2009.
    Americans seem to use 'middle class' to mean what used to be called 'working class'; it's happening in the UK too. 40% of Americans believe they are either already in the economic top 1% or are soon to be so, and yet social mobility ceased many years since. Odd.

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    Re: Census shows 1 in 2 people are poor or low-income

    I am interested to see how they define "low income" or "poor."
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    Re: Census shows 1 in 2 people are poor or low-income

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I am interested to see how they define "low income" or "poor."
    I guess poor is poverty level or lower and "low income" is just above poverty level up to 199% of it. So if the poverty level is $25k, low income would be $25,001-50k?

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    Re: Census shows 1 in 2 people are poor or low-income

    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    Americans seem to use 'middle class' to mean what used to be called 'working class'; it's happening in the UK too. 40% of Americans believe they are either already in the economic top 1% or are soon to be so, and yet social mobility ceased many years since. Odd.
    Where did you get that,Pen? Are you saying 40% of Americans don't live in reality. What? 40% think they will win the lottery or inherit from an imagary long lost uncle?
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    Re: Census shows 1 in 2 people are poor or low-income

    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    Americans seem to use 'middle class' to mean what used to be called 'working class'; it's happening in the UK too. 40% of Americans believe they are either already in the economic top 1% or are soon to be so, and yet social mobility ceased many years since. Odd.

    Dividing individuals into 'classes' such as the 'middle class' or 'working class' is purely a socialist paradigm. The very idea insinuates that upward mobility is not achievable in a free society. That is false for this country unless someone like Obama is re elected.


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