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    Re: New Haven Mayor Wants Illegals To Vote In Local Elections(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Anyone holding an address within the city limits should be able to vote.
    Yes, that's a brilliant idea.

    People there illegally, should be given political power. You base this view on what basis? What rationale?
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: New Haven Mayor Wants Illegals To Vote In Local Elections(edited)

    That I am an internationalist
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: New Haven Mayor Wants Illegals To Vote In Local Elections(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    That I am an internationalist
    So, you just think it's a good idea based on nothing more then a whim. Well, at least you're honest.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Mayor Wants Illegals To Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Ummm...why? It has to pass through their local elected officials. If it does pass it would only be for local elections not federal elections. I thought you conservatives were all about deciding these type of things at the local level?
    When it comes to many important issues I am not one of those let the states decide conservatives. Illegal immigration should not be encouraged in any part of the US and the elected officials who try to encourage illegal immigration should be thrown into prison and banned for life from serving in a political office.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Mayor Wants Illegals To Vote

    So, you just think it's a good idea based on nothing more then a whim.
    Uh, no, I base it on my politics. I don't think you know what the word "whim" means.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: Mayor Wants Illegals To Vote

    Here's a question, or maybe a couple of questions....

    Some of you have posted with more than a little clarity about the issue of allowing felons to vote, once their time has been served. The argument was, if they pay taxes, they deserve a say. Someone living in New Haven is certainly paying some taxes. Maybe not income taxes, but they ARE paying sales taxes, and likely a few other "fees", which are just taxes with a different name. They're here, they're working, and they're paying taxes. The only problem seems to be that they are illegals. But what makes these people illegal? A lack of following a bureaucratic process? Are we really so petty? They are here, they are working, and they are paying SOME taxes. i say we make so they pay ALL the taxes the rest of us pay.


    Make them legal. Everything else is really a non issue.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Mayor Wants Illegals To Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Here's a question, or maybe a couple of questions....

    Some of you have posted with more than a little clarity about the issue of allowing felons to vote, once their time has been served. The argument was, if they pay taxes, they deserve a say. Someone living in New Haven is certainly paying some taxes. Maybe not income taxes, but they ARE paying sales taxes, and likely a few other "fees", which are just taxes with a different name. They're here, they're working, and they're paying taxes. The only problem seems to be that they are illegals. But what makes these people illegal? A lack of following a bureaucratic process? Are we really so petty? They are here, they are working, and they are paying SOME taxes. i say we make so they pay ALL the taxes the rest of us pay.
    Make them legal. Everything else is really a non issue.
    Yes I am that petty. A people of a nation have a right to manage and control immigration / who enters its country for any reason.
    Guess you don't care who comes in and how.
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    Re: Mayor Wants Illegals To Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Here's a question, or maybe a couple of questions....

    Some of you have posted with more than a little clarity about the issue of allowing felons to vote, once their time has been served. The argument was, if they pay taxes, they deserve a say. Someone living in New Haven is certainly paying some taxes. Maybe not income taxes, but they ARE paying sales taxes, and likely a few other "fees", which are just taxes with a different name. They're here, they're working, and they're paying taxes. The only problem seems to be that they are illegals. But what makes these people illegal? A lack of following a bureaucratic process? Are we really so petty? They are here, they are working, and they are paying SOME taxes. i say we make so they pay ALL the taxes the rest of us pay.


    Make them legal. Everything else is really a non issue.
    It's more than taking care of red tape. They disrespected our laws by illegally sneaking in. We should not reward that. We should prosecute them for it. If that's the definition of petty then so be it.

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    Re: Mayor Wants Illegals To Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Yes I am that petty. A people of a nation have a right to manage and control immigration / who enters its country for any reason.
    Guess you don't care who comes in and how.
    I agree with that. I'm trying to be practical. How many miles of border do we have, honestly? We could no sooner keep all illegals out than we could rid NYC of rats. All I'm saying is, it used to be very very easy to become a US citizen. Now it takes forever and a day, and about one mount everest worth of paperwork. THAT'S why they are coming illegally. It was never a problem before, because it was easier to just migrate here legally.

    Save a tree, and cut out some bureaucrats(save some taxes!), by making it easy to move here again. What is our reason for not wanting to let more people in? Population control? This argument from the same folks that tend towards anti abortion laws, lol. Immigrants are what made this country great. It's what made us a world power, today. Everything of worth in this country, other than natural resources, was built on the backs of immigrants to this great land.

    And again, from a practical stand point, unless you have some sort of kung fu idea for how to keep immigrants out, and to get rid of the illegal ones already here, that DOESN'T bankrupt us all in the process, out with it. Otherwise....they are here, they are working, they are paying SOME taxes.

    I say we make them pay FULL taxes, like the rest of us.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Mayor Wants Illegals To Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    It's more than taking care of red tape. They disrespected our laws by illegally sneaking in. We should not reward that. We should prosecute them for it. If that's the definition of petty then so be it.
    Having to pay income taxes, when before, you didn't, is a reward?

    First of all, most illegal immigrants didn't illegally sneak in, they came here on visas, which expired. Their crime isn't sneaking in, it's overstaying their welcome. See my above post regarding what to do about that.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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