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    Re: Ryan to announce plan to keep federally funded Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Private insurance prices are now regulated.
    Instead of alleviating the population of the responsibility to save for the future, we should be encouraging it, so we don't need these programs.
    Why is that such a great idea? How should we encourage it? By offering tax incentives? Distorting the market? And then it's predictable that tens of millions of people won't save enough, anyway. And then what? Let them croak because they were bad boys and girls? Or pay for their care anyway, but without having provided for funding?

    "One way is to reduce end of life care."

    DEATH PANELS!!! Heh heh. I agree, that is very important. An absurd amount of money is spent to prolong the lives of extremely sick people a few days or weeks. But it's obviously very difficult politically.

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    Re: Ryan to announce plan to keep federally funded Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Why is that such a great idea? How should we encourage it? By offering tax incentives? Distorting the market? And then it's predictable that tens of millions of people won't save enough, anyway. And then what? Let them croak because they were bad boys and girls? Or pay for their care anyway, but without having provided for funding?
    Maybe tax incentives sure or a match, it just depends really.
    Real life examples make the best argument for people to do something.

    No one wants to be the poor old guy struggling to eat, but why should one person be rewarded with a government subsidy while not saving and another person not be rewarded for saving.
    You're sending inconsistent signals.

    You do irresponsible things, you get money from the gov.
    You do the responsible things, you get no money from the gov.


    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    "One way is to reduce end of life care."

    DEATH PANELS!!! Heh heh. I agree, that is very important. An absurd amount of money is spent to prolong the lives of extremely sick people a few days or weeks. But it's obviously very difficult politically.
    Yep, this is the stuff of when reality meets fantasy.
    Should we keep 85 yo granny, who has cancer all over her body, on life support?
    The rational answer is no, the emotional answer is yes.
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    Re: Ryan to announce plan to keep federally funded Medicare

    This does nothing to address the root cause of the problem, the most expensive health care system in the world. I do not consider it a solution to provide "options" as to who has to bear the cost of the most expensive health care in the world.

    To address the root cause we will finally need to upgrade our health care system as the rest of the industrialized world has done.
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    Re: Ryan to announce plan to keep federally funded Medicare

    I dont trust Paul Ryan one iota after his last failed plan...where he blatantly increaded costs hugely to seniors and included a candy store of HUGE tax breaks for the rich...the seniors beat him and his plan into the ground...the gop was inundated with nasty emails
    They ryan teaparty types have one goal...assure tax cuts for the rich at anyone elses expense...seniors are still a huge voting block if not the biggest...babyboomers havent died yet...Ill read his plan and study it...but with a wary eye

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    Re: Ryan to announce plan to keep federally funded Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    This does nothing to address the root cause of the problem, the most expensive health care system in the world. I do not consider it a solution to provide "options" as to who has to bear the cost of the most expensive health care in the world.

    To address the root cause we will finally need to upgrade our health care system as the rest of the industrialized world has done.
    You are absolutely right about that. We're going to wake up and realize that single payer is the only option, or we are going to be in deep ****.

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    Re: Ryan to announce plan to keep federally funded Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yep, this is the stuff of when reality meets fantasy.
    Should we keep 85 yo granny, who has cancer all over her body, on life support?
    The rational answer is no, the emotional answer is yes.
    This is the reason I don't want the government making this decision.
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    Re: Ryan to announce plan to keep federally funded Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    This is the reason I don't want the government making this decision.
    But government is never going to tell grandma that she can't pay for it herself if she wants to. All they would be doing is saying that, from a budget perspective, we cannot afford to ignore cost/benefit analysis. By all means, purchase supplemental insurance if you think you might want to blow through a million dollars to spend an extra two weeks in a fog of pain and morphine.

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    Re: Ryan to announce plan to keep federally funded Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    But government is never going to tell grandma that she can't pay for it herself if she wants to. All they would be doing is saying that, from a budget perspective, we cannot afford to ignore cost/benefit analysis. By all means, purchase supplemental insurance if you think you might want to blow through a million dollars to spend an extra two weeks in a fog of pain and morphine.
    I don't disagree with anything that you said.

    I think this is where you and I would not agree: The government should not make the people buy into its insurance program.
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    Re: Ryan to announce plan to keep federally funded Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I don't disagree with anything that you said.

    I think this is where you and I would not agree: The government should not make the people buy into its insurance program.
    Yep, that's where we will party company.

    I think that the government, through economies of scale (and because it's nonprofit) can do it more efficiently. And I think that many people would opt out, only to find themselves without coverage in old age. This is not the 1950s or 60s, when employers routinely provided pensions and medical benefits to retirees.

    OTOH, what I would accept is an option allowing people to use the actuarial value of their Medicare benefits to instead purchase private insurance. I think that what you'd find is that almost no one would opt out. Health insurance is hugely expensive for a healthy person in his or her 30s. What do you think it would cost for someone in his or her 70s or 80s?

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    Re: Ryan to announce plan to keep federally funded Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Wow you didn't even read what I wrote, in both the first post and in the second.
    yeah, that's sort of typical.

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