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    Re: Ryan to announce plan to keep federally funded Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Income /= access to total resources.

    The elderly are better off than advertised - The Washington Post

    With the later statement, you're kinda advocating for less fiscally conservative Americans by removing a core requirement to save.
    Aka, it seems to me that you're advocating mass consumerism.
    Income = income.

    As far as fiscal conservatism, I don't see how that follows. It's more a question of personal saving for private insurance later in life versus paying higher taxes for government insurance later in life. Medicare isn't a welfare program. We will either have to pay more for it, or we will have to scale back benefits, or most likely, a combination of the two

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    Re: Ryan to announce plan to keep federally funded Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Income = income.

    As far as fiscal conservatism, I don't see how that follows. It's more a question of personal saving for private insurance later in life versus paying higher taxes for government insurance later in life. Medicare isn't a welfare program. We will either have to pay more for it, or we will have to scale back benefits, or most likely, a combination of the two
    If my income is low, but I have access to several million dollars, should I get an income subsidy like SS, when the person paying the taxes for it makes $30k a year, has negative assets and gets no income subsidy.

    It's inherently regressive.
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    Re: Ryan to announce plan to keep federally funded Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Oh you dont want me to get medicare when Im 65 which is next year....your an OLDAPHOBE Harry hands down...your trying to take my right to healthcare away from me...you hate old people...your a hater
    To better understand what I mean, we spend too much on seniors, point blank.
    We need to reduce senior spending, while not entirely scraping Medicare and SS type programs.

    They should really operate as anti poverty programs, rather than general income subsidies.
    That is not saying, "I don't want you to have your right to medical care" or whatever pretend rights you think you have.
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    Re: Ryan to announce plan to keep federally funded Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If my income is low, but I have access to several million dollars, should I get an income subsidy like SS, when the person paying the taxes for it makes $30k a year, has negative assets and gets no income subsidy.

    It's inherently regressive.
    The facts are that when you are old enough to get Medicare you might have a preexisting condition where no medical insurance will will sell you a policy at a reasonable cost.

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    Re: Ryan to announce plan to keep federally funded Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    The facts are that when you are old enough to get Medicare you might have a preexisting condition where no medical insurance will will sell you a policy at a reasonable cost.
    Insurance companies aren't allowed to do that anymore.
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    Re: Ryan to announce plan to keep federally funded Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If my income is low, but I have access to several million dollars, should I get an income subsidy like SS, when the person paying the taxes for it makes $30k a year, has negative assets and gets no income subsidy.

    It's inherently regressive.
    I have no problem with means testing. But regarding the article you cited, keep in mind that the dramatic reduction in poverty among the elderly is mainly due to the advent of Social Security and Medicare! The median net worth is $237,000 which may sound impressive, but it's not much if you're living off of income from that money and really can't afford to cut into the capital. That's goig to be more and more significant going forward as it has become a rarity for businesses to provide pensions. The other thing to keep in mind is that private health insurance is much more costly for elderly people.

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    Re: Ryan to announce plan to keep federally funded Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Insurance companies aren't allowed to do that anymore.
    As of now. Of course Republicans have sworn to repeal health care reform, so....

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    Re: Ryan to announce plan to keep federally funded Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I have no problem with means testing. But regarding the article you cited, keep in mind that the dramatic reduction in poverty among the elderly is mainly due to the advent of Social Security and Medicare! The median net worth is $237,000 which may sound impressive, but it's not much if you're living off of income from that money and really can't afford to cut into the capital. That's goig to be more and more significant going forward as it has become a rarity for businesses to provide pensions. The other thing to keep in mind is that private health insurance is much more costly for elderly people.
    Private insurance prices are now regulated.

    But that's really neither here nor there.
    Medicare could be kept in tact, while reducing benefits to the point where it is no longer in the red.
    One way is to reduce end of life care.

    Instead of alleviating the population of the responsibility to save for the future, we should be encouraging it, so we don't need these programs.
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    Re: Ryan to announce plan to keep federally funded Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    As of now. Of course Republicans have sworn to repeal health care reform, so....
    Yea.
    They talk a lot, just like all the other politicians, if they got elected, I'm sure they will soon forget it.
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    Re: Ryan to announce plan to keep federally funded Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Wow you didn't even read what I wrote, in both the first post and in the second.
    Harry, please tell me you really didnt think I was serious lol...please ?

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