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Aid for Child Care Drops When It Is Needed Most - NYT

my point stands, if churches are doing such a great job, why the hell are there programs that help parents take care of their children, if these churches are doing such a perfect job? what, if we reduce everyone's taxes by a little, that they are suddenly going to spend all that extra money on children charities? no.

You have to ASK the churches for help, just like you do the government. Again IT IS NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER TO PROVIDE CHILD CARE. Get the point?
 
You have to ASK the churches for help, just like you do the government. Again IT IS NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER TO PROVIDE CHILD CARE. Get the point?

no, but we have the right to chose to provide as a govt. service.
 
no, but we have the right to chose to provide as a govt. service.

What? Explain better please, that makes no sense. I can't remember anything on my tax form asking what services I wished to spend my money on.
 
What? Explain better please, that makes no sense. I can't remember anything on my tax form asking what services I wished to spend my money on.

that's a cute strawman you made up there. we don't get to choose which programs are taxes are spent on.
 
that's a cute strawman you made up there. we don't get to choose which programs are taxes are spent on.

We do get to decide, through our representatives, what is a productive use of funds, and what is just bribing people for votes with heart string stories and unaffordable programs.
 
Why don't you pitch in a little extra, or are you just all talk?

yes...we should rely on donations to fund our government...that worked really great before didn't it. when the states under the articles of confederation didn't have to pay taxes, they didn't.
 
yes...we should rely on donations to fund our government...that worked really great before didn't it. when the states under the articles of confederation didn't have to pay taxes, they didn't.
So basically you're admitting that you are all talk, and want others to pay for what you want to give away. I say find a poor family, and give them half your paycheck. Show them you care.
 
So basically you're admitting that you are all talk, and want others to pay for what you want to give away. I say find a poor family, and give them half your paycheck. Show them you care.

right, again, you conservatives use personal attacks when you've got nothing else. do you know who i am? oh...YOU DO? huh....well you know, its not like i'm an Eagle scout who spent a lot of time at food drives for low income folks, or its not like every time i see a person from the red cross or something at a wal mart asking for money i don't give some (around 10-20bucks), or a veteran's donations fund, or selling poppies for disabled veterans, or spent hours doing canned food drives in my own little town, or did projects for the community and local churches...no i totally don't do any of that, because obviously you know me soo well, that by what you said I MUST HAVE NOT DONE any of those things....wow, and all this time, i thought i was a generous person...damn for me then. NOPE i am allll talk!
 
So basically you're admitting that you are all talk, and want others to pay for what you want to give away. I say find a poor family, and give them half your paycheck. Show them you care.

and im pretty sure...the highest tax on anyones income in this country is 35 percent...is that half of their income? it must be, i guess all this time of learning how percentages work and fractions and stuff was a waste because there is NO WAY you could be wrong, after all how could you be wrong, with that cool picture of Tomas Jefferson with some sun glasses on.
 
Aid for Child Care Drops When It Is Needed Most - NYT

Apparently America's "children" are now expected to make do with less government support, but only one Republican presidential candidate is on record stating that Israel can now expect to make do with less US foreign aid.

Is it just coincidence that Ron Paul is also the one and only GOP candidate deliberately excluded from speaking at an event sponsored by the powerful Jewish lobby?
 
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It is not the responsibility of the government to take care of children. That is a familys responsibility. Churches help all the time. Lay-off my tax money.

Noone is stopping you from leaving the country if you don't like it.
 
You have to ASK the churches for help, just like you do the government. Again IT IS NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER TO PROVIDE CHILD CARE. Get the point?
US Constitution: Preamble

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Beyond moral arguments, to "promote the general Welfare" provides the basis for any compelling justification for the involvement of the American taxpayer in "child care."

While the "Preamble" was never intended to assign specific responsibilities to the federal government, it does reflect the intention of the Founding Fathers that the state should actively "promote the general Welfare" of its citizens - and that includes children.

In a perfect world, parents should shoulder most of the responsibility for raising their children - an assumption that does not always translate into reality.

Irrespective of the parenting skills/lack of parenting skills bestowed upon them, these children are all US citizens and "to form a more perfect Union," the nation will always have a vested interest in the education, development and well-being of its citizens - particularily the youngest and most vulnerable ones.
 
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Beyond moral arguments, to "promote the general Welfare" provides the basis for any compelling justification for the involvement of the American taxpayer in "child care."

While the "Preamble" was never intended to assign specific responsibilities to the federal government, it does reflect the intention of the Founding Fathers that the state should actively "promote the general Welfare" of its citizens - and that includes children.

In a perfect world, parents should shoulder most of the responsibility for raising their children - an assumption that does not always translate into reality.

Irrespective of the parenting skills/lack of parenting skills bestowed upon them, these children are all US citizens and "to form a more perfect Union," the nation will always have a vested interest in the education, development and well-being of its citizens - particularily the youngest and most vulnerable ones.

there are 2 parts in the Constitution that mention "the general welfare" the 2nd one is in the Taxing and Spending Clause,

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence[note 1] and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

given our present day USA, this fits perfectly in my view of our current welfare system. could it be reformed and run better? sure. but not reform in the form of huge cuts.
 
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