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Defiant Republicans pushed legislation through the House Tuesday night that would keep alive Social Security payroll tax cuts for some 160 million Americans at President Barack Obama's request -- but also would require construction of a Canada-to-Texas oil pipeline that has sparked a White House veto threat.

Passage, on a largely party-line vote of 234-193, sent the measure toward its certain demise in the Democratic-controlled Senate, triggering the final partisan showdown of a remarkably quarrelsome year of divided government.

The legislation "extends the payroll tax relief, extends and reforms unemployment insurance and protects Social Security -- without job-killing tax hikes," Republican House Speaker John Boehner declared after the measure had cleared.Referring to the controversy over the Keystone XL pipeline, he added, "Our bill includes sensible, bipartisan measures to help the private sector create jobs."

On a long day of finger pointing, however, House Democrats accused Republicans of protecting "millionaires and billionaires, `' and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., derided the GOP-backed pipeline provision as "ideological candy" for the tea party-set.


After the House vote, the White House urged Congress on in finishing work on extending the tax cuts and jobless aid. Press Secretary Jay Carney issued a statement that didn't mention the pipeline but renewed Obama's insistence that the legislation be paid for, at least in part, by "asking the wealthiest Americans to pay their fair share" in higher tax levies.

Read more: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision | Fox News


From what I understand this bill gives Democrats everything they asked for (payroll tax relief, extension of unemployment insurance, Social Security/Medicare) but requires the President to make a decision on the Keystone pipeline within 60 days instead of putting it off until the next election. Why is Harry Reid calling this bill "dead" and why is Obama threatening veto? Is the Keystone pipeline such a contentious issue that the Democrats would veto the other concessions made by Republicans? Do the Democrats/Liberals on this board support this bill or are you against it?

 
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Read more: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision | Fox News


From what I understand this bill gives Democrats everything they asked for (payroll tax relief, extension of unemployment insurance, Social Security/Medicare) but requires the President to make a decision on the Keystone pipeline within 60 days instead of putting it off until the next election. Why is Harry Reid calling this bill "dead" and why is Obama threatening veto? Is the Keystone pipeline such a contentious issue that the Democrats would veto the other concessions made by Republicans? Do the Democrats/Liberals on this board support this bill or are you against it?


I think the Dem's position on this bill is that it shouldn't be a Dem bill where they need to make concessions to the Reps in order to get it passed. The Reps should be behind it 100% and require no concessions. That's why they're threatening to veto it. This is, after all, a tax cut, or at least an extension of one. If they're willing to let it expire, they should be equally willing to let other tax cuts expire (specifically the bush ones, which we all know isn't so).

I'm actually mostly for approving the pipeline, but I object to this bill more on principal than content. Tax cuts and the pipeline aren't really related, and I'm of the opinion that bills going through congress should pertain to only a single subject at a time. In other words, the Reps can negotiate concessions from the Dems in this bill, but only if those concessions are related to taxes. Likewise, if concessions need to be made to get the pipeline approved, those concessions should be related to environmental protection.
 
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I do not like "riders" of any type attached to bills like this. Projects like the pipeline should stand on its own merits. As well as the unemployment extention, etc. This is politics at its worst. I blame both parties and the President for such games being played.
 
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I do not like "riders" of any type attached to bills like this. Projects like the pipeline should stand on its own merits. As well as the unemployment extention, etc. This is politics at its worst. I blame both parties and the President for such games being played.

You blame Obama because Republicans intentionally included a poison pill -- screwing with struggling middle class Americans so they could tweak Obama on the nose? Really?
 
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You blame Obama because Republicans intentionally included a poison pill -- screwing with struggling middle class Americans so they could tweak Obama on the nose? Really?

the FICA contributions are to pay for social security. if those who expect to benefit from social security don't pay into it it won't have enough. and the dems scheme of trying to make the rich pay for other peoples' insurance contributions is both idiotic and violates the entire premise of the ponzi scheme that the dems are so proud of
 
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You blame Obama because Republicans intentionally included a poison pill -- screwing with struggling middle class Americans so they could tweak Obama on the nose? Really?

Requiring Obama to make a decision on the Keystone permit before 2013 is a poison pill that negates the Republicans conceding all the major points of the bill?
 
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Back to the Pork packing days!


House Passes Payroll Tax Bill Packed With Poison Pills

"Lundberg said she did not like the way things like unemployment insurance and the payroll tax cut got rolled up in a bill with the Keystone pipeline.

"If they really thought it was a serious issue they wouldn't put in all this other stuff," she said. "They should vote on it separately. It just makes things not happen when you put all these things in the bundle."

As for drug testing, Lundberg said: "I think they should drug test Congress. They've been acting a little weird."

House Passes Payroll Tax Bill Packed With Poison Pills
 
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Read more: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision | Fox News


From what I understand this bill gives Democrats everything they asked for (payroll tax relief, extension of unemployment insurance, Social Security/Medicare) but requires the President to make a decision on the Keystone pipeline within 60 days instead of putting it off until the next election.

No, not even close. First, Democrats are seeking a bigger payroll tax cut that would put an additional $500 in the pockets of middle class taxpayers. The cut would be paid for by a surtax on income over one million dollars.

Here's what the Republicans passed:

The plan would pay for the one-year, 2 percent payroll tax cut by means-testing Medicare so that recipients making $85,000 and above have to pay higher premiums -- effectively raising $31 billion.

So, in effect giving to the middle class with one hand and taking away from middle class older Americans with the other.

Another $62 billion would come from freezing federal pay for a year and making federal retirees pay more for health care.

Further piling on federal workers who have already had their pay frozen for two years. How is that fair?

It would raise yet another $38 billion by hiking fees on banks doing business with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Thus adding another hurdle to cross in the recovery of the housing industry, which is essential for the broader economy.

Besides the controversial methods of paying for the bill, it would also stop clean air regulations estimated to save 20,000 lives, circumvent an environmental review of the Canada-to-Texas Keystone XL oil pipeline, slash emergency unemployment benefits from 73 weeks to 33 weeks, and allow states to force the jobless to prove they're not on drugs in order to get unemployment benefits.

Seriously, how can you look in the mirror in the morning if you're a Republican. I don't get it.
 
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why should social security become yet another income redistribution scheme other than to buy the votes of the many at the cost of the overtaxed?
 
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why should social security become yet another income redistribution scheme other than to buy the votes of the many at the cost of the overtaxed?

Maybe you've read something about the economy? No? Well it's doing fairly poorly, and one way to improve it -- estimates range from .5 to 1.5% GDP -- is to stimulate the economy via a payroll tax cut.
 
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Maybe you've read something about the economy? No? Well it's doing fairly poorly, and one way to improve it -- estimates range from .5 to 1.5% GDP -- is to stimulate the economy via a payroll tax cut.

not by taking more money from the rich

its nothing more than a scheme to buy the votes of the many with class warfare.

its funny how the dems claim that tax cuts don't work for the rich but work for a bigger voting bloc

and SS never would have passed if it had been billed as a income redistribution scheme

you want social security-you pay into it

if you make me pay more I should get more benefits and you less
 
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I do not like "riders" of any type attached to bills like this. Projects like the pipeline should stand on its own merits. As well as the unemployment extention, etc. This is politics at its worst. I blame both parties and the President for such games being played.
But this the only way to compromise in a divided congress
 
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not by taking more money from the rich

its nothing more than a scheme to buy the votes of the many with class warfare.

its funny how the dems claim that tax cuts don't work for the rich but work for a bigger voting bloc

and SS never would have passed if it had been billed as a income redistribution scheme

you want social security-you pay into it

if you make me pay more I should get more benefits and you less

Yeah, I'm sure that people pulling in more than a million a year are going to be crushed. In fact they will end up benefitting more than anyone when the economy picks up steam.
 
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Pass this baby, it would be good for jobs on both fronts (regarding the tax cut extension and the keystone pipeline).
 
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Read more: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision | Fox News


From what I understand this bill gives Democrats everything they asked for (payroll tax relief, extension of unemployment insurance, Social Security/Medicare) but requires the President to make a decision on the Keystone pipeline within 60 days instead of putting it off until the next election. Why is Harry Reid calling this bill "dead" and why is Obama threatening veto? Is the Keystone pipeline such a contentious issue that the Democrats would veto the other concessions made by Republicans? Do the Democrats/Liberals on this board support this bill or are you against it?


The pipeline should stand on it's own, not attached to a tax bill. Personally I am against the pipeline seeing how the company is trying to use eminent domain to take property.
 
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why should social security become yet another income redistribution scheme other than to buy the votes of the many at the cost of the overtaxed?

The answer is in its name... and we have gone over this territory before.... many times.

Social Security is a program which has a double purpose in that it provides aid for individuals and provides security for society as a whole. It is NOT and IRA. To pretend to treat it as one while ignoring the societal benefits of it is to engage in intellectual dishonesty of the worst sort.
 
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the FICA contributions are to pay for social security. if those who expect to benefit from social security don't pay into it it won't have enough. and the dems scheme of trying to make the rich pay for other peoples' insurance contributions is both idiotic and violates the entire premise of the ponzi scheme that the dems are so proud of

If your premise is correct - that SS is a "ponzi scheme", then getting people to put money into is is a perfect and fitting action to continue it by any means necessary. It does NOT violate your so called premise in any way but instead furthers it and aids and abets it.

Of course, despite your glaring gaffe in logic, SS is not a ponzi scheme.
 
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Yeah, I'm sure that people pulling in more than a million a year are going to be crushed. In fact they will end up benefitting more than anyone when the economy picks up steam.
You can use that warped logic and envy to continually justify anyone who makes more than the average paying more and more until they have no more than the average. You like most welfare socialists labor under the delusion that taxes should be based solely on ability to pay rather than what people use or demand in services. Your system panders to parasitic behavior and ENCOURAGES more and more government which of course is what welfare socialists want
 
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But this the only way to compromise in a divided congress

It truely is unfortunate. Not only is it the only way to "compromise", but it ends all bills. I haven't done the reading yet, but aren't the dems getting everything they want in this bill except for the pipeline? Or is this bill just what the repubs wanted?
 
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The answer is in its name... and we have gone over this territory before.... many times.

Social Security is a program which has a double purpose in that it provides aid for individuals and provides security for society as a whole. It is NOT and IRA. To pretend to treat it as one while ignoring the societal benefits of it is to engage in intellectual dishonesty of the worst sort.

The left loves to calls turds pretty names and then argue that the pretty name is why the turd ought to be passed. They ignore the actual legislative history or the law itself and argue that since "social security" is called "social security" we can use it as a income redistribution scheme in direct contradiction of the legislative history because it SOUNDS GOOD

its like the gun banners who claimed we had to extend the clinton gun ban because it was called the "SAFE STREETS ACT" and if it sunsetted our streets would not longer be SAFE or the clowns who claim that the "General welfare clause" justifies Welfare socialism
 
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If your premise is correct - that SS is a "ponzi scheme", then getting people to put money into is is a perfect and fitting action to continue it by any means necessary. It does NOT violate your so called premise in any way but instead furthers it and aids and abets it.

Of course, despite your glaring gaffe in logic, SS is not a ponzi scheme.

so tell us Haymarket, are those collecting SS payments today getting stuff they actually paid for or are current workers paying for them?
 
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Dems have two main constituents with conflicting interests when it comes to the pipeline.

Environmentalists are against it.

On the other hand, it is a "shovel-ready" infrastructure project that would create jobs.

Obama doesn't want to decide until after the election so as not to lose votes. (Environmentalists will lose this one, the pipeline will surely be built)

The Republicans want to force him to decide, so that he loses votes.

It's all one big political game.
 
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Read more: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision | Fox News


From what I understand this bill gives Democrats everything they asked for (payroll tax relief, extension of unemployment insurance, Social Security/Medicare) but requires the President to make a decision on the Keystone pipeline within 60 days instead of putting it off until the next election. Why is Harry Reid calling this bill "dead" and why is Obama threatening veto? Is the Keystone pipeline such a contentious issue that the Democrats would veto the other concessions made by Republicans? Do the Democrats/Liberals on this board support this bill or are you against it?


Because Reid, and Obama are going to continue to do and say the same things over, and over like America is stupid. Clearly Repubs have passed quite a bit in the house since they took back over and brought some sanity into that chamber, only to have it repeatedly tabled, and or dismissed outright and not brought to a vote. Then the libs can say that Republicans have done nothing, and won't compromise with Obama. When this bill clearly spells out who won't compromise...It is a lie from demo's like everything else out of their mouths.

Like I always say....You want to know what a lib is doing, just look to what they are accusing you of doing.


j-mac
 
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Well, they are also just forcing a decision, not an approval. And while they wouldn't mind hitting the president, they are probably more worried about their own elections. Everything they put up for jobs approval gets hidden in a basement and ignored and we get told they are a do-nothing congress. They need to show that they are doing something for jobs creation and this one is public, a compromise with the democrats, and good for their votes.

Frankly, I'm fine with forcing President Obama to make a decision instead of holding off on possible jobs creation (or not) because he wants to win an election. I'm also okay with (but not thrilled by) some of the stuff the democrats put forward in this bill. And, to be blunt, I think it was a very clever move on the republicans' part to get rid of the narrative that they are just obstructionists.

Whether it's great or not, this is how congress has functioned for a very long time. It's how they compromise. "You want all these things, fine, but we are going to get a couple items in return."
 
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Yeah, I'm sure that people pulling in more than a million a year are going to be crushed. In fact they will end up benefitting more than anyone when the economy picks up steam.


That is not the point...In fact all your statement does is display for everyone your jealousy, and impedance at being able to garner wealth for yourself. Instead of trying to redistribute someone elses wealth, why don't you fight to make sure our education system is made better so that we as a country can compete, and therefore rising all boats....No, you just want to look at others and think of what you can take.


j-mac
 
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