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Actually he called what you said stupid.

Not you stupid.

Which is acceptable as your inability to make the distinction is stupid.

And the difference is ????

Let me help you out:

He claimed that even the Republican governor of Nebraska was all for the delay.

He posted a link to "prove" his point.

Ooops, his link plainly said the governor was in favor of the pipeline if it could be rerouted.

TransCanada agreed to reroute the pipeline.

The governor announced that he and the people of Nebraska are now happy and behind the construction.

Do you understand now, or do I need to dumb it down some more ??
 
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Ahhh, so now it is acceptable for mods to call people stupid ???

And the difference is ????

Let me help you out:

He claimed that even the Republican governor of Nebraska was all for the delay.

He posted a link to "prove" his point.

Ooops, his link plainly said the governor was in favor of the pipeline if it could be rerouted.

TransCanada agreed to reroute the pipeline.

The governor announced that he and the people of Nebraska are now happy and behind the construction.

Do you understand now, or do I need to dumb it down some more ??

Um.

I really don't care about that.

You made this claim.

Ahhh, so now it is acceptable for mods to call people stupid ???

And what Redress said was

Anymore stupid hyperbole?

He didn't call you stupid.

He called what you said stupid.

It's not the same thing.

So if you're quite done foaming at the mouth...
 
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Um.

I really don't care about that.

You made this claim.



And what Redress said was



He didn't call you stupid.

He called what you said stupid.

It's not the same thing.

So if you're quite done foaming at the mouth...

Ohhh, I see, you don't have any comment on the topic. You simply want to stir up trouble. Gotcha.
 
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Ahhh, so now it is acceptable for mods to call people stupid ???

In case you didn't figure it out, I quoted from YOUR link, that clearly said that the Republican Nebraska governor, as well as the people there were in favor of the pipeline. Even though you now attempt to switch your position, it is clear to all that followed your little diatribe that you were completely wrong, but too stubborn to admit it.

Who said the State Department was negotiating with TransCanada and what the hell does that have to do with anything ??

It is perfectly acceptable to call some ones comments stupid.

No one has claimed that the Nebraska governor and people are against the pipeline. Once again facts seem to be a problem for you. Obama is not against the pipeline either. Delay != opposed to. Taking the time to get things right is a good thing.
 
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It is perfectly acceptable to call some ones comments stupid.

No one has claimed that the Nebraska governor and people are against the pipeline. Once again facts seem to be a problem for you. Obama is not against the pipeline either. Delay != opposed to. Taking the time to get things right is a good thing.

Good to know. Then you shouldn't mind if I point out the idiocy of your post:

I said:

The Governor was praising the rerouting of the pipeline, but nice try.

To which you replied:

Nice try, but facts trump lies.

And then when I proved you wrong, you accused me of stupid hyperbole.

Care to point out where I lied..........or you could just apologize, man up, and admit I was right.
 
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Good to know. Then you shouldn't mind if I point out the idiocy of your post:

I said:



To which you replied:



And then when I proved you wrong, you accused me of stupid hyperbole.

Care to point out where I lied..........or you could just apologize, man up, and admit I was right.

The governor, in praising the State Department, was not praising them for rerouting the pipeline. That is not what the state department did. What the state department did was delay the pipeline till 2013. This is all fairly clear from the quote and link I provided.
 
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The governor, in praising the State Department, was not praising them for rerouting the pipeline. That is not what the state department did. What the state department did was delay the pipeline till 2013. This is all fairly clear from the quote and link I provided.

You should really read your own links. If you did, you might not look so dishonest.

“Just a few days ago, I said that the U.S. Department of State decision to undertake an “in-depth assessment of potential alternative routes” was an opportunity for a common sense solution. Today, we stand here having reached a common sense solution.”

He praised the State Department for assessing alternative routes, not delaying the pipeline until after the elections so Obama's environmental wing wouldn't get pissed off at him.

The governor wanted a common sense solution, and the reroute achieved that goal. Now that the aquifer is protected, he and most Nebraskans are ready for the project to move forward.
 
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What Republicans seem to be missing here is that the State Department has already said it will deny the pipeline permit if the GOP forces them to decide before they're ready. So what it comes down to, once again, is Republicans playing political games, which would result in the denial of the permit that they claim they want, just so they can thumb their noses at Obama -- as opposed to waiting a year and most likely seeing the permit approved.

Nauseating.
 
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What Republicans seem to be missing here is that the State Department has already said it will deny the pipeline permit if the GOP forces them to decide before they're ready. So what it comes down to, once again, is Republicans playing political games, which would result in the denial of the permit that they claim they want, just so they can thumb their noses at Obama -- as opposed to waiting a year and most likely seeing the permit approved.

Nauseating.

If they do delay it, they'll have to come before Congress within 60 days and explain why. I suspect they'd need a very good reason.
 
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If they do delay it, they'll have to come before Congress within 60 days and explain why. I suspect they'd need a very good reason.

They have a good reason:

"Given the concentration of concerns regarding the environmental sensitivities of the current proposed route through the Sand Hills area of Nebraska, the Department has determined it needs to undertake an in-depth assessment of potential alternative routes in Nebraska," the State Department said in a statement."

"Based on previous pipeline permitting experience, the State Department said the review process "could be completed as early as the first quarter of 2013."

In a separate statement, President Obama said he supported the State Department's move.
"The final decision should be guided by an open, transparent process that is informed by the best available science and the voices of the American people," said Obama."
Keystone pipeline delayed by Obama until 2013 - Nov. 10, 2011

Nebraska agreed with the State Department, as Redress pointed out to you.
 
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whether we build the pipeline or not, we need to allocate resources to build a lot more electrical infrastructure. our grid is insufficient for the inevitable transition from oil to whatever is next. this should be done publicly, as waiting for it to become profitable is not a viable option.

Ok, so let me get this straight.... You want the GOVERNMENT to buy up the entire electrical grid? Boy, I hope you've got some really deep pockets, and are willing to pay a lot more for your electricity than you do now.
 
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You want the GOVERNMENT to buy up the entire electrical grid?

Where in the hell do you get "wanting the government to buy up the entire electrical grid" from the comments of "we need to allocate resources to build a lot more electrical infrastructure"?

Reading comprehension much?
 
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They have a good reason:

"Given the concentration of concerns regarding the environmental sensitivities of the current proposed route through the Sand Hills area of Nebraska, the Department has determined it needs to undertake an in-depth assessment of potential alternative routes in Nebraska," the State Department said in a statement."

"Based on previous pipeline permitting experience, the State Department said the review process "could be completed as early as the first quarter of 2013."

In a separate statement, President Obama said he supported the State Department's move.
"The final decision should be guided by an open, transparent process that is informed by the best available science and the voices of the American people," said Obama."
Keystone pipeline delayed by Obama until 2013 - Nov. 10, 2011

Nebraska agreed with the State Department, as Redress pointed out to you.

Try and keep up.

Most of the previous 10-15 posts discuss how Nebraska and TransCanada came to an agreement to reroute the pipeline through eastern Nebraska away from the Sand Hills area aquifer.
 
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Try and keep up.

Most of the previous 10-15 posts discuss how Nebraska and TransCanada came to an agreement to reroute the pipeline through eastern Nebraska away from the Sand Hills area aquifer.

I bring up the reason Nebraska agreed with the delay until 2013, because after "10-15 posts", you keep missing that point that Redress made.
 
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I bring up the reason Nebraska agreed with the delay until 2013, because after "10-15 posts", you keep missing that point that Redress made.

And you obviously didn't read any of the posts because the governor is quite clear that the only reason he was for delaying the project was to reroute it.

Try reading the posts sometimes and you wouldn't waste everyone's time.
 
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Read more: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision | Fox News


From what I understand this bill gives Democrats everything they asked for (payroll tax relief

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But now a move to extend the 2 percent payroll tax holiday is suddenly getting in the way, after the House passed a GOP measure to do that Tuesday packed with items the Democrats see as poison pills. Senate Democrats want to pass a 3.1 percent cut, paid for by a surtax on income above $1 million, and believe that they have overwhelming public support on their side.

Payroll Tax Cut Fight Prompts Government Shutdown Threat

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I do not like "riders" of any type attached to bills like this. Projects like the pipeline should stand on its own merits. As well as the unemployment extention, etc. This is politics at its worst. I blame both parties and the President for such games being played.

Unfortunately, that's how politics works.

What Obama should do is create a bill called the "Anti-Abortion Gay Marriage Ban Act" and put a rider on it that eliminates all farm/oil subsidies, then submit it to Congress for GOPers to vote on it, and let the fun begin :)
 
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And you obviously didn't read any of the posts because the governor is quite clear that the only reason he was for delaying the project was to reroute it.

Try reading the posts sometimes and you wouldn't waste everyone's time.

I've read every post in the thread and am trying to help you understand the point that Redress has been making:

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So everything is moving forward smoothly by all parties right now, agreements being reached, even the republican governor agrees that the delay was a good move, and now congress wants to push this through over the head of the state involved. Do republicans in the house ever actually stand true to principles, or do they change them whenever politically convenient.

Perhaps eventually, you will get that the State Department and the Governor of Nebraska are in agreement with the delay until 2013 due to rerouting needed for environmental concerns, and that Congress is trying to override Nebraska's prerogative in the matter.
 
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psssst..... the Dems have dropped their demand for a surtax on millionaires to pay for the payroll tax cut.

P.S.: I saw this at 5:00 this morning on Fox News. Maybe you should watch it more often and you would be more current. Don't quit your job yet.
 
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I've read every post in the thread and am trying to help you understand the point that Redress has been making:



Perhaps eventually, you will get that the State Department and the Governor of Nebraska are in agreement with the delay until 2013 due to rerouting need for environmental concerns, and that Congress is trying to override Nebraska's prerogative in the matter.

Obviously not, or you would have seen the direct quote from the governor I posted from Redress's link:

“Just a few days ago, I said that the U.S. Department of State decision to undertake an “in-depth assessment of potential alternative routes” was an opportunity for a common sense solution. Today, we stand here having reached a common sense solution.”
 
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Obviously not, or you would have seen the direct quote from the governor I posted from Redress's link:

Yes, I saw the quote, and your misinterpretation of it. That is what I was addressing.
 
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psssst..... the Dems have dropped their demand for a surtax on millionaires to pay for the payroll tax cut.

P.S.: I saw this at 5:00 this morning on Fox News.

Yep, FOXNews--the sole source of nourishment for the Conservative mind.

The only way to know if anyone has dropped his/her objection to a condition is if he/she actually votes/signs a bill in spite of that condition being missing. What a pol says is just cheap talk and has no bearing on his/her motives.

Many House Dems did not vote for it, and Obama has not yet had a change to sign or veto it. So there's no way to know if they've dropped their objection to it.
 
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Yes, I saw the quote, and your misinterpretation of it. That is what I was addressing.

His quote is quite clear. He wanted the pipeline delayed until an agreement could be reached to move it away from western Nebraska. He also made it quite clear that they want to build the pipeline through Nebraska.

Perhaps eventually, you will get that the State Department and the Governor of Nebraska are in agreement with the delay until 2013 due to rerouting needed for environmental concerns, and that Congress is trying to override Nebraska's prerogative in the matter.

How is Congress trying to override Nebraska's prerogative when they passed the House bill this week, while TransCanada agreed to reroute the pipeline in November???? As the governor said, "Today, we stand here having reached a common sense solution.” As far as he's concerned, the problem is resolved and construction of the pipeline should begin.

Use a little common sense.
 
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Yep, FOXNews--the sole source of nourishment for the Conservative mind.

The only way to know if anyone has dropped his/her objection to a condition is if he/she actually votes/signs a bill in spite of that condition being missing. What a pol says is just cheap talk and has no bearing on his/her motives.

Many House Dems did not vote for it, and Obama has not yet had a change to sign or veto it. So there's no way to know if they've dropped their objection to it.

You actually think that Fox News is the only one reporting this important news ???? Reid met with Obama and other party leaders. They knew that members of their own party wouldn't support the tax, so they caved.

Officials said Democrats were drafting a new proposal to extend the payroll tax that likely would not include the millionaires' surtax that Republicans opposed almost unanimously.

Republicans minimized the significance of the move. "They're not giving up a whole lot. The tax they wanted to implement on business owners was something that couldn't pass the House and couldn't pass the Senate," McConnell said in a CNBC interview.

Jettisoning the tax could also require Democrats to agree to politically painful savings elsewhere in the budget to replace the estimated $140 billion the tax would have raised over a decade.
Dems drop millionaires tax in year-end dispute

No one has voted for it in the Senate because Harry Reid won't allow it to be debated or voted on.
 
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