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so tell us Haymarket, are those collecting SS payments today getting stuff they actually paid for or are current workers paying for them?

Answer the same question about any insurance policy you currently own.
 
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You blame Obama because Republicans intentionally included a poison pill -- screwing with struggling middle class Americans so they could tweak Obama on the nose? Really?

Yes really. But I also said I blamed the Repubs and Dems. I also said it was politics at its worst. you seemed to miss that part. Do you think this is the first time in history one party placed a "poison pill" to a piece of legislation? Do you think Obama does not play politics with anything he does?

Does Obama or Congress have a plan to make up the revenue not paid in SS under this temporary reduced rate? Don't see Obama or Congress talk about that?
 
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Answer the same question about any insurance policy you currently own.

Depends on your premiums and how much you've paid out vs claims. I guarantee you that I've paid out many thousands more in premiums than I've received in claims.

Poor analogy.

As far as TD's comment, the liberal Nobel prize winner, Paul Krugman, said it was a ponzi scheme.

Republicans need to hammer the Dems on this. Why are they against a bill that, by all accounts, will almost immediately create tens of thousands of good, high paying jobs ????
 
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Requiring Obama to make a decision on the Keystone permit before 2013 is a poison pill that negates the Republicans conceding all the major points of the bill?

The point is that it shouldn't be part of this bill. Isn't that what conservatives have complained about in the past? Having riders attached to a bill that has nothing to do with the bill?

While I know the line-item veto would surely be abused in the long run, this is the time I wish it were around.
 
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The point is that it shouldn't be part of this bill. Isn't that what conservatives have complained about in the past? Having riders attached to a bill that has nothing to do with the bill?

While I know the line-item veto would surely be abused in the long run, this is the time I wish it were around.

The name of the bill is Middle Class Tax Relief and Job Creation Act of 2011, so the creation of thousands of jobs is appropriate to be included in the bill.
 
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That is not the point...In fact all your statement does is display for everyone your jealousy, and impedance at being able to garner wealth for yourself. Instead of trying to redistribute someone elses wealth, why don't you fight to make sure our education system is made better so that we as a country can compete, and therefore rising all boats....No, you just want to look at others and think of what you can take.
j-mac

Wow you are a master psychologist who has delved into my mind and discovered my "true" motivation.

Apparently you're also a master telekinetic forensic accountant who has managed to inventory my wealth through the internet! :lol:

Or not. Actually, and as usual, this is the best approach to take for purely pragmatic reasons. The economy needs help in the demand area. A payroll tax holiday is an excellent way to stimulate demand. A small, temporary tax increase on income over $1 million won't detract too much from the stimulus.
 
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The point is that it shouldn't be part of this bill. Isn't that what conservatives have complained about in the past? Having riders attached to a bill that has nothing to do with the bill?

While I know the line-item veto would surely be abused in the long run, this is the time I wish it were around.

I thought this bill was suppose to create jobs and an environment to grow the economy.
 
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As far as TD's comment, the liberal Nobel prize winner, Paul Krugman, said it was a ponzi scheme.

Republicans need to hammer the Dems on this. Why are they against a bill that, by all accounts, will almost immediately create tens of thousands of good, high paying jobs ????

The Ponzi Thing - NYTimes.com
 
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What will this pipeline do and who will benefit. I just heard of it yesterday. Is it oil from us to them or via versa?
 
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Ahhh, Krugman backtracking once again. I'm shocked I tell ya, shocked.

Problem is that he can't recant his comments of 14 years ago, no matter how hard he tries. He said them, and the claim the quote was taken out of context is ludicrous. He said it, he owns it.

And that's all I have to say on that topic. This thread has been taken off topic too much already.
 
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What will this pipeline do and who will benefit. I just heard of it yesterday. Is it oil from us to them or via versa?

It is oil that will be piped to refineries in the U.S. It will create thousands of jobs here and construction can begin immediately. Job estimates range from 20,000 to 100,000.

Canada has already said that if the U.S. won't build the pipeline, they'll sell the oil to China.

This is a win-win for U.S. workers and the only excuse Obama has for not approving is that he doesn't want to piss of his far left looney environmental lobby before the 2012 election. Even the unions have come out in support for the pipeline construction.
 
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Ahhh, Krugman backtracking once again. I'm shocked I tell ya, shocked.

Problem is that he can't recant his comments of 14 years ago, no matter how hard he tries. He said them, and the claim the quote was taken out of context is ludicrous. He said it, he owns it.

And that's all I have to say on that topic. This thread has been taken off topic too much already.

Yeah, I didn't suppose you would actually consider the context of his earlier comment. :lol:
 
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It is oil that will be piped to refineries in the U.S. It will create thousands of jobs here and construction can begin immediately. Job estimates range from 20,000 to 100,000.

Canada has already said that if the U.S. won't build the pipeline, they'll sell the oil to China.

This is a win-win for U.S. workers and the only excuse Obama has for not approving is that he doesn't want to piss of his far left looney environmental lobby before the 2012 election. Even the unions have come out in support for the pipeline construction.

Actually job estimates range from negative job creation to very few, mostly temporary jobs.
 
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Yeah, I didn't suppose you would actually consider the context of his earlier comment. :lol:

His quote was clear to all, at least those not wearing partisan blinders.
 
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What will this pipeline do and who will benefit. I just heard of it yesterday. Is it oil from us to them or via versa?

It's a pipeline from Canada to us. It would have been a secure pipeline to a major energy source in a friendly allied nation and would have given us the ability to significantly reduce over time the amount of oil money we have to send to the Middle East. In the meantime, it would have created tens of thousands of above-average income jobs here in the United States for building and then running the thing.

instead, now it's going to go to serve China. because sometimes we do incredibly stupid things. like elect a naive child-king as president.
 
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Payroll tax-cut....with the oil pipeline attached to the bill.

they might as well have also included a rider saying: "America is a democracy".

that way, when the Dems vote it down, the GOP can say: "see!!!!! the Dems don't believe in democracy!!!!"

typical GOP games with our lives.
 
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His quote was clear to all, at least those not wearing partisan blinders.

I agree. If you read the quote in the context of the whole article it's clear.
 
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Payroll tax-cut....with the oil pipeline attached to the bill.

they might as well have also included a rider saying: "America is a democracy".

that way, when the Dems vote it down, the GOP can say: "see!!!!! the Dems don't believe in democracy!!!!"

typical GOP games with our lives.

:doh

this bill is a win-win.


which is why it is being rejected. Obama wants republicans to lose, and is willing to lose a bit himself in order to do so. He insists on a poison pill, and then bets that Republicans will be blamed for the failure rather than Democrats.
 
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Actually job estimates range from negative job creation to very few, mostly temporary jobs.

Yeah.... a pipeline thousands of miles long will create "negative jobs". That's a good one.. seen any unicorns lately ???

Weren't the vast majority of the road construction jobs "created" by the Obama stimulus also temporary ??? Don't bother, we already know the answer to that.
 
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I don't like the payroll tax(FICA) cut at all.

With it returning to its normal 6.2% level on 1/1/12, Social Security will start permanently draining the "trust fund" in 2021. If they continue the current rate of 4.1%, that date will move, probably, to about 2017-2018.

If those that believe a payroll tax cut is stimulative, then grow some balls and make it 0%.

And, for those that say the pipeline authorization is unrelated to the payroll tax cut: For every job that is "stimulated" by its construction, it helps shore up what the payroll tax is supposed to be for, by expanding the number of people paying payroll taxes.
 
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FactCheck.org : Pre-Thanksgiving Leftovers

The president issued a statement supporting the delay, which the State Department announced Nov. 10, citing the need for an “in-depth assessment of potential alternative routes in Nebraska.” On Nov. 14 the developer announced it would change the route of the pipeline to avoid Nebraska’s sensitive Sandhills area, and said it was confident the project would ultimately be approved. On Nov. 15, Nebraska Gov. Dave Heineman (a Republican) praised the State Department’s action and called the re-routing a “common sense solution.” And on Nov. 22 — just hours before Bachmann spoke — the governor signed two bills that enacted a compromise agreed upon with the pipeline builder to move the route, and approved up to $2 million in state funding for an environmental study.

So everything is moving forward smoothly by all parties right now, agreements being reached, even the republican governor agrees that the delay was a good move, and now congress wants to push this through over the head of the state involved. Do republicans in the house ever actually stand true to principles, or do they change them whenever politically convenient.
 
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Do for big oil and you shall receive. Sounds like the usual in Washington. Although, I guess this company has quite a pipeline spell record (but that's according to Huffington Post) as opposed to rosy faux news stories.

Proposed pipeline cuts right through Nebraska's Sandhills (sometimes called the Last Prairie). It's a very sensitive area. It also covers what is called the Ogallala Aquifier, major source of water for huge area, and important to farming. Possible impact on the sandhills and possible damage to important aquifer is an unknown. A View From a Washichu

I don't blame Obama for not wanting to touch this, for a lot of reasons.
 
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Actually job estimates range from negative job creation to very few, mostly temporary jobs.

that could be said about any of the infrastructer projects (roads, bridges) Obama would like to invest in. Once the job is done, unless another project is lined up, there is no need for the construction workers.
 
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Here's a crazy thought...instead of targetting individual targets and continuing these scape goating practices of just placing burden on one shoulder to buy votes from someone else...we just stop with the tax cut for something that needs the funding in the first place and thus would put the burden, correctly, on the shoulders of most everyone who is going to be directly benefiting from what said tax is SUPPOSED to pay for.

I know, its a shocking concept seemingly from both sides to suggest that perhaps not selling the countries continued fiscal issues down a river simply for votes is the best course of action.
 
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FactCheck.org : Pre-Thanksgiving Leftovers



So everything is moving forward smoothly by all parties right now, agreements being reached, even the republican governor agrees that the delay was a good move, and now congress wants to push this through over the head of the state involved. Do republicans in the house ever actually stand true to principles, or do they change them whenever politically convenient.

The Governor was praising the rerouting of the pipeline, but nice try.
 
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