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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    No, you are 100% correct. They are forcing a decision, not a yes or a no, just a decision. This is one more example of Obama voting "present" rather than making the type of decision he was hired to do.
    Because it is always good to leap before you look. Gad damn that Obama for wanting to consider all the facts before jumping to a decision, how very unrepublican of him!
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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Did you actually read what you posted? Even within that presentation , it stated that between 2500 and 4600 jobs would be directly created. All of their negative job claims have the same flaws as what they claim that the Perryman study have - no dat, no facts, only suppositions based upon assumptions that they make in order to put forth their own spiel. Cornell university global labor institute is hardly an independent organization considering how much it supports the "green job" movement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Oh, I'm very familiar with the report. Do you know who actually wrote it ???? You probably think that high-browed Cornell professors wrote it don't you???

    It was actually written by the Global Labor Institute, a consortium of labor unions and environmental groups. Not exactly disinterested parties are they?

    A few examples of their "partners":

    Blue-Green Alliance
    Center for American Progress
    Center on Wisconsin Strategy (COWS)
    Environmental Defense Fund (EDF)
    European Trade Union Confederation
    Food and Water Watch
    Friedrich Ebert Stiftung (FES)
    Global Coalition for Climate Action (GCCA)
    Global Labor Strategies
    Institute for Policy Studies
    International Transport Workers' Federation
    Jobs with Justice
    Labor Network for Sustainability
    Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC)
    Public Services International Research Unit
    Realizing Rights: The Ethical Globalization Iniative
    Red Vida

    And you continually whine that Fox News is biased, but don't hesitate to post this kind of crap.
    Yes, the report was obviously authored by Cornell's labor institute. So why, exactly, would an organization concerned with labor be against a project that would allegedly employ tens of thousands of skilled laborers?

    And of cours there's no bias on Transcanada's part! What possible motive could they have for distorting the jobs numbers?!

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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Quote Originally Posted by ggh View Post
    Did you actually read what you posted? Even within that presentation , it stated that between 2500 and 4600 jobs would be directly created. All of their negative job claims have the same flaws as what they claim that the Perryman study have - no dat, no facts, only suppositions based upon assumptions that they make in order to put forth their own spiel. Cornell university global labor institute is hardly an independent organization considering how much it supports the "green job" movement.
    So you have 3,500 jobs (roughly the median number) versus 20,000 jobs. Obviously that changes the balance when you consider whether or not the project is a good idea, because of course jobs creation isn't the only factor.

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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    His exact words, 5 days after the decision to delay:



    Source: Gov. Heineman News: Gov. Heineman: Pipeline Re-Routing is Nebraska Common Sensen

    Nice try, but facts trump lies.
    Really?? Sounds to me like he was thanking them for the help in getting the pipeline rerouted. Don't see a word that he was in favor of killing or delaying the construction permanently. In fact, he is very clear that he supports construction.

    Yep, those facts can be pesky can't they, especially when you selectively quote the governor and try to claim he is saying something 180 degrees from what he actually said.

    “Just a few days ago, I said that the U.S. Department of State decision to undertake an “in-depth assessment of potential alternative routes” was an opportunity for a common sense solution. Today, we stand here having reached a common sense solution.”

    “While there have been a number of factors that have brought us to this point, the catalyst for this extraordinary series of events was the calling of the Special Session. For months, Nebraskans have been clear about our position on the pipeline - we support the pipeline. However, we’re opposed to a route through the environmentally sensitive Sand Hills. Citizens voiced their opinions at public hearings in Atkinson and Lincoln and at the Legislature’s three public hearings. Through our persistence and determination, the State Department heard our concerns. Additionally, TransCanada has heard our concerns and has voluntarily agreed to change the route.”
    Want to try one more time ?

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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yes, the report was obviously authored by Cornell's labor institute. So why, exactly, would an organization concerned with labor be against a project that would allegedly employ tens of thousands of skilled laborers?

    And of cours there's no bias on Transcanada's part! What possible motive could they have for distorting the jobs numbers?!
    They are more concerned with perceived environmental affects than job creation.

    Why are most unions in favor of the pipeline ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    They are more concerned with perceived environmental affects than job creation.

    Why are most unions in favor of the pipeline ??
    The environmental effects are more than just perceived.

    Why is this institute dedicated to labor studies more concerned with the environment than they are with the impact on labor? It's the Global Labor Institute -- not the Global Environment Institute, right?

    But it is amusing to see Republicans getting behind the labor movement.

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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

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    The environmental effects are more than just perceived.

    Why is this institute dedicated to labor studies more concerned with the environment than they are with the impact on labor? It's the Global Labor Institute -- not the Global Environment Institute, right?

    But it is amusing to see Republicans getting behind the labor movement.
    No, they are perceived since the dubious claims made by GLI have little basis in fact.

    Perhaps you should try reading their mission statement and you might answer your own question. Look up some of their sponsors from the list I posted. Some are very radical environmental organizations.

    Republicans are always on the side of labor............when labor is doing the right thing.

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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    No, they are perceived since the dubious claims made by GLI have little basis in fact.

    Perhaps you should try reading their mission statement and you might answer your own question. Look up some of their sponsors from the list I posted. Some are very radical environmental organizations.

    Republicans are always on the side of labor............when labor is doing the right thing.
    There is no dispute as to whether tar sands oil is dirtier than other types of oil.

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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    whether we build the pipeline or not, we need to allocate resources to build a lot more electrical infrastructure. our grid is insufficient for the inevitable transition from oil to whatever is next. this should be done publicly, as waiting for it to become profitable is not a viable option.

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