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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    The left loves to calls turds pretty names and then argue that the pretty name is why the turd ought to be passed. They ignore the actual legislative history or the law itself and argue that since "social security" is called "social security" we can use it as a income redistribution scheme in direct contradiction of the legislative history because it SOUNDS GOOD

    its like the gun banners who claimed we had to extend the clinton gun ban because it was called the "SAFE STREETS ACT" and if it sunsetted our streets would not longer be SAFE or the clowns who claim that the "General welfare clause" justifies Welfare socialism
    What is being ignored here is YOU ignoring what Social Security is and what it means to the citizens of the United States of America both as individuals and as a society.

    This will help you and educate you to the original purpose of Social Security, why it is named so, and the perversion of the meaning and intent of the program by the right wing in their battle against it

    http://agonist.org/story/2005/1/6/212133/2309

    Please read the entire article: here is a very small portion

    There are few retirees left who remember the Depression or the stock market crash, and it should be no surprise that Republicans now find the time ripe for attacking Social Security. President Bush's speechwriter Peter H. Wehner recently wrote to Republican officials: "For the first time in six decades, the Social Security battle is one we can win -- and in doing so, we can help transform the political and philosophical landscape of the country. We have it within our grasp to move away from dependency on government and toward giving greater power and responsibility to individuals."

    It is the essence of Republican orthodoxy that Social Security is a massive give-away program, enfeebling the fiber of all decent Americans by making them dependent on the federal government. These criticisms of Social Security were muttered sotto voce for many years, and only now - when too few seniors can speak in its defense from their personal experience - are they being proclaimed forcefully.
    here is some historical background on the naming of the program

    http://www.ssa.gov/history/termorigin.html

    This is NOT about guns. The comparison is not an apt one.
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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Quote Originally Posted by rosie1 View Post
    Do for big oil and you shall receive. Sounds like the usual in Washington. Although, I guess this company has quite a pipeline spell record (but that's according to Huffington Post) as opposed to rosy faux new stories.

    Proposed pipeline cuts right through Nebraska's Sandhills (sometimes called the Last Prairie). It's a very sensitive area. It also covers what is called the Ogallala Aquifier, major source of water for huge area, and important to farming. Possible impact on the sandhills and possible damage to important aquifer is an unknown. A View From a Washichu

    I don't blame Obama for not wanting to touch this for a lot of reasons.
    Yep, it would be the only underground pipeline, right ??

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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    I have read this and another article and it appears they are only forcing a decision on the pipeline, not forcing the pipeline to be approved. Am I missing something?
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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    I have read this and another article and it appears they are only forcing a decision on the pipeline, not forcing the pipeline to be approved. Am I missing something?
    No, you are 100% correct. They are forcing a decision, not a yes or a no, just a decision. This is one more example of Obama voting "present" rather than making the type of decision he was hired to do.

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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    I have read this and another article and it appears they are only forcing a decision on the pipeline, not forcing the pipeline to be approved. Am I missing something?
    You aren't missing anything.
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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Yeah.... a pipeline thousands of miles long will create "negative jobs". That's a good one.. seen any unicorns lately ???
    Unicorns? No, but I have seen an independent study. You know, not one produced by the people who have a vested interest in claiming that the project will create tons of jobs?

    http://www.ilr.cornell.edu/globallab...eportpdf-2.pdf

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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Unicorns? No, but I have seen an independent study. You know, not one produced by the people who have a vested interest in claiming that the project will create tons of jobs?

    http://www.ilr.cornell.edu/globallab...eportpdf-2.pdf
    Ahh yes, the report that claims that IF the pipeline happens to leak, and IF the oil gets into farmland, and IF the soil is tainted, then a loss of some farm jobs could occur.

    You keep believing the "sky is falling" scenarios if you like, but the rest of us in the real world will keep laughing at you.

    How many jobs has the construction of the thousands of other pipelines cost ???

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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Ahh yes, the report that claims that IF the pipeline happens to leak, and IF the oil gets into farmland, and IF the soil is tainted, then a loss of some farm jobs could occur.

    You keep believing the "sky is falling" scenarios if you like, but the rest of us in the real world will keep laughing at you.

    How many jobs has the construction of the thousands of other pipelines cost ???
    Ah, so you didn't actually bother to read the report? You could at least read the one-page summary. Is that too much to expect?

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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Ah, so you didn't actually bother to read the report? You could at least read the one-page summary. Is that too much to expect?
    Oh, I'm very familiar with the report. Do you know who actually wrote it ???? You probably think that high-browed Cornell professors wrote it don't you???

    It was actually written by the Global Labor Institute, a consortium of labor unions and environmental groups. Not exactly disinterested parties are they?

    A few examples of their "partners":

    Blue-Green Alliance
    Center for American Progress
    Center on Wisconsin Strategy (COWS)
    Environmental Defense Fund (EDF)
    European Trade Union Confederation
    Food and Water Watch
    Friedrich Ebert Stiftung (FES)
    Global Coalition for Climate Action (GCCA)
    Global Labor Strategies
    Institute for Policy Studies
    International Transport Workers' Federation
    Jobs with Justice
    Labor Network for Sustainability
    Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC)
    Public Services International Research Unit
    Realizing Rights: The Ethical Globalization Iniative
    Red Vida

    And you continually whine that Fox News is biased, but don't hesitate to post this kind of crap.

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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    The Governor was praising the rerouting of the pipeline, but nice try.
    His exact words, 5 days after the decision to delay:

    Third, I want to thank the U.S. Department of State for their cooperation and willingness to work with us. The meetings that the Legislature and I have had with the State Department were useful and productive.
    Source: Gov. Heineman News: Gov. Heineman: Pipeline Re-Routing is Nebraska Common Sensen

    Nice try, but facts trump lies.
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