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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Payroll tax-cut....with the oil pipeline attached to the bill.

    they might as well have also included a rider saying: "America is a democracy".

    that way, when the Dems vote it down, the GOP can say: "see!!!!! the Dems don't believe in democracy!!!!"

    typical GOP games with our lives.

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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

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    His quote was clear to all, at least those not wearing partisan blinders.
    I agree. If you read the quote in the context of the whole article it's clear.

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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Payroll tax-cut....with the oil pipeline attached to the bill.

    they might as well have also included a rider saying: "America is a democracy".

    that way, when the Dems vote it down, the GOP can say: "see!!!!! the Dems don't believe in democracy!!!!"

    typical GOP games with our lives.


    this bill is a win-win.


    which is why it is being rejected. Obama wants republicans to lose, and is willing to lose a bit himself in order to do so. He insists on a poison pill, and then bets that Republicans will be blamed for the failure rather than Democrats.

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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Actually job estimates range from negative job creation to very few, mostly temporary jobs.
    Yeah.... a pipeline thousands of miles long will create "negative jobs". That's a good one.. seen any unicorns lately ???

    Weren't the vast majority of the road construction jobs "created" by the Obama stimulus also temporary ??? Don't bother, we already know the answer to that.

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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    I don't like the payroll tax(FICA) cut at all.

    With it returning to its normal 6.2% level on 1/1/12, Social Security will start permanently draining the "trust fund" in 2021. If they continue the current rate of 4.1%, that date will move, probably, to about 2017-2018.

    If those that believe a payroll tax cut is stimulative, then grow some balls and make it 0%.

    And, for those that say the pipeline authorization is unrelated to the payroll tax cut: For every job that is "stimulated" by its construction, it helps shore up what the payroll tax is supposed to be for, by expanding the number of people paying payroll taxes.
    Last edited by Samhain; 12-14-11 at 11:34 AM.

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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

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    The president issued a statement supporting the delay, which the State Department announced Nov. 10, citing the need for an “in-depth assessment of potential alternative routes in Nebraska.” On Nov. 14 the developer announced it would change the route of the pipeline to avoid Nebraska’s sensitive Sandhills area, and said it was confident the project would ultimately be approved. On Nov. 15, Nebraska Gov. Dave Heineman (a Republican) praised the State Department’s action and called the re-routing a “common sense solution.” And on Nov. 22 — just hours before Bachmann spoke — the governor signed two bills that enacted a compromise agreed upon with the pipeline builder to move the route, and approved up to $2 million in state funding for an environmental study.
    So everything is moving forward smoothly by all parties right now, agreements being reached, even the republican governor agrees that the delay was a good move, and now congress wants to push this through over the head of the state involved. Do republicans in the house ever actually stand true to principles, or do they change them whenever politically convenient.
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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Do for big oil and you shall receive. Sounds like the usual in Washington. Although, I guess this company has quite a pipeline spell record (but that's according to Huffington Post) as opposed to rosy faux news stories.

    Proposed pipeline cuts right through Nebraska's Sandhills (sometimes called the Last Prairie). It's a very sensitive area. It also covers what is called the Ogallala Aquifier, major source of water for huge area, and important to farming. Possible impact on the sandhills and possible damage to important aquifer is an unknown. A View From a Washichu

    I don't blame Obama for not wanting to touch this, for a lot of reasons.
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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Actually job estimates range from negative job creation to very few, mostly temporary jobs.
    that could be said about any of the infrastructer projects (roads, bridges) Obama would like to invest in. Once the job is done, unless another project is lined up, there is no need for the construction workers.
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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Here's a crazy thought...instead of targetting individual targets and continuing these scape goating practices of just placing burden on one shoulder to buy votes from someone else...we just stop with the tax cut for something that needs the funding in the first place and thus would put the burden, correctly, on the shoulders of most everyone who is going to be directly benefiting from what said tax is SUPPOSED to pay for.

    I know, its a shocking concept seemingly from both sides to suggest that perhaps not selling the countries continued fiscal issues down a river simply for votes is the best course of action.

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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
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    So everything is moving forward smoothly by all parties right now, agreements being reached, even the republican governor agrees that the delay was a good move, and now congress wants to push this through over the head of the state involved. Do republicans in the house ever actually stand true to principles, or do they change them whenever politically convenient.
    The Governor was praising the rerouting of the pipeline, but nice try.

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