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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If your premise is correct - that SS is a "ponzi scheme", then getting people to put money into is is a perfect and fitting action to continue it by any means necessary. It does NOT violate your so called premise in any way but instead furthers it and aids and abets it.

    Of course, despite your glaring gaffe in logic, SS is not a ponzi scheme.
    so tell us Haymarket, are those collecting SS payments today getting stuff they actually paid for or are current workers paying for them?

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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Dems have two main constituents with conflicting interests when it comes to the pipeline.

    Environmentalists are against it.

    On the other hand, it is a "shovel-ready" infrastructure project that would create jobs.

    Obama doesn't want to decide until after the election so as not to lose votes. (Environmentalists will lose this one, the pipeline will surely be built)

    The Republicans want to force him to decide, so that he loses votes.

    It's all one big political game.

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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhapsody1447 View Post

    Read more: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision | Fox News


    From what I understand this bill gives Democrats everything they asked for (payroll tax relief, extension of unemployment insurance, Social Security/Medicare) but requires the President to make a decision on the Keystone pipeline within 60 days instead of putting it off until the next election. Why is Harry Reid calling this bill "dead" and why is Obama threatening veto? Is the Keystone pipeline such a contentious issue that the Democrats would veto the other concessions made by Republicans? Do the Democrats/Liberals on this board support this bill or are you against it?

    Because Reid, and Obama are going to continue to do and say the same things over, and over like America is stupid. Clearly Repubs have passed quite a bit in the house since they took back over and brought some sanity into that chamber, only to have it repeatedly tabled, and or dismissed outright and not brought to a vote. Then the libs can say that Republicans have done nothing, and won't compromise with Obama. When this bill clearly spells out who won't compromise...It is a lie from demo's like everything else out of their mouths.

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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Well, they are also just forcing a decision, not an approval. And while they wouldn't mind hitting the president, they are probably more worried about their own elections. Everything they put up for jobs approval gets hidden in a basement and ignored and we get told they are a do-nothing congress. They need to show that they are doing something for jobs creation and this one is public, a compromise with the democrats, and good for their votes.

    Frankly, I'm fine with forcing President Obama to make a decision instead of holding off on possible jobs creation (or not) because he wants to win an election. I'm also okay with (but not thrilled by) some of the stuff the democrats put forward in this bill. And, to be blunt, I think it was a very clever move on the republicans' part to get rid of the narrative that they are just obstructionists.

    Whether it's great or not, this is how congress has functioned for a very long time. It's how they compromise. "You want all these things, fine, but we are going to get a couple items in return."
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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yeah, I'm sure that people pulling in more than a million a year are going to be crushed. In fact they will end up benefitting more than anyone when the economy picks up steam.

    That is not the point...In fact all your statement does is display for everyone your jealousy, and impedance at being able to garner wealth for yourself. Instead of trying to redistribute someone elses wealth, why don't you fight to make sure our education system is made better so that we as a country can compete, and therefore rising all boats....No, you just want to look at others and think of what you can take.


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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so tell us Haymarket, are those collecting SS payments today getting stuff they actually paid for or are current workers paying for them?
    Answer the same question about any insurance policy you currently own.
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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You blame Obama because Republicans intentionally included a poison pill -- screwing with struggling middle class Americans so they could tweak Obama on the nose? Really?
    Yes really. But I also said I blamed the Repubs and Dems. I also said it was politics at its worst. you seemed to miss that part. Do you think this is the first time in history one party placed a "poison pill" to a piece of legislation? Do you think Obama does not play politics with anything he does?

    Does Obama or Congress have a plan to make up the revenue not paid in SS under this temporary reduced rate? Don't see Obama or Congress talk about that?
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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Answer the same question about any insurance policy you currently own.
    Depends on your premiums and how much you've paid out vs claims. I guarantee you that I've paid out many thousands more in premiums than I've received in claims.

    Poor analogy.

    As far as TD's comment, the liberal Nobel prize winner, Paul Krugman, said it was a ponzi scheme.

    Republicans need to hammer the Dems on this. Why are they against a bill that, by all accounts, will almost immediately create tens of thousands of good, high paying jobs ????
    Last edited by Gill; 12-14-11 at 10:10 AM.

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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhapsody1447 View Post
    Requiring Obama to make a decision on the Keystone permit before 2013 is a poison pill that negates the Republicans conceding all the major points of the bill?
    The point is that it shouldn't be part of this bill. Isn't that what conservatives have complained about in the past? Having riders attached to a bill that has nothing to do with the bill?

    While I know the line-item veto would surely be abused in the long run, this is the time I wish it were around.

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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The point is that it shouldn't be part of this bill. Isn't that what conservatives have complained about in the past? Having riders attached to a bill that has nothing to do with the bill?

    While I know the line-item veto would surely be abused in the long run, this is the time I wish it were around.
    The name of the bill is Middle Class Tax Relief and Job Creation Act of 2011, so the creation of thousands of jobs is appropriate to be included in the bill.

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