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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Maybe you've read something about the economy? No? Well it's doing fairly poorly, and one way to improve it -- estimates range from .5 to 1.5% GDP -- is to stimulate the economy via a payroll tax cut.
    not by taking more money from the rich

    its nothing more than a scheme to buy the votes of the many with class warfare.

    its funny how the dems claim that tax cuts don't work for the rich but work for a bigger voting bloc

    and SS never would have passed if it had been billed as a income redistribution scheme

    you want social security-you pay into it

    if you make me pay more I should get more benefits and you less

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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    I do not like "riders" of any type attached to bills like this. Projects like the pipeline should stand on its own merits. As well as the unemployment extention, etc. This is politics at its worst. I blame both parties and the President for such games being played.
    But this the only way to compromise in a divided congress

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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    not by taking more money from the rich

    its nothing more than a scheme to buy the votes of the many with class warfare.

    its funny how the dems claim that tax cuts don't work for the rich but work for a bigger voting bloc

    and SS never would have passed if it had been billed as a income redistribution scheme

    you want social security-you pay into it

    if you make me pay more I should get more benefits and you less
    Yeah, I'm sure that people pulling in more than a million a year are going to be crushed. In fact they will end up benefitting more than anyone when the economy picks up steam.

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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Pass this baby, it would be good for jobs on both fronts (regarding the tax cut extension and the keystone pipeline).

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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhapsody1447 View Post

    Read more: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision | Fox News


    From what I understand this bill gives Democrats everything they asked for (payroll tax relief, extension of unemployment insurance, Social Security/Medicare) but requires the President to make a decision on the Keystone pipeline within 60 days instead of putting it off until the next election. Why is Harry Reid calling this bill "dead" and why is Obama threatening veto? Is the Keystone pipeline such a contentious issue that the Democrats would veto the other concessions made by Republicans? Do the Democrats/Liberals on this board support this bill or are you against it?

    The pipeline should stand on it's own, not attached to a tax bill. Personally I am against the pipeline seeing how the company is trying to use eminent domain to take property.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why should social security become yet another income redistribution scheme other than to buy the votes of the many at the cost of the overtaxed?
    The answer is in its name... and we have gone over this territory before.... many times.

    Social Security is a program which has a double purpose in that it provides aid for individuals and provides security for society as a whole. It is NOT and IRA. To pretend to treat it as one while ignoring the societal benefits of it is to engage in intellectual dishonesty of the worst sort.
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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the FICA contributions are to pay for social security. if those who expect to benefit from social security don't pay into it it won't have enough. and the dems scheme of trying to make the rich pay for other peoples' insurance contributions is both idiotic and violates the entire premise of the ponzi scheme that the dems are so proud of
    If your premise is correct - that SS is a "ponzi scheme", then getting people to put money into is is a perfect and fitting action to continue it by any means necessary. It does NOT violate your so called premise in any way but instead furthers it and aids and abets it.

    Of course, despite your glaring gaffe in logic, SS is not a ponzi scheme.
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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yeah, I'm sure that people pulling in more than a million a year are going to be crushed. In fact they will end up benefitting more than anyone when the economy picks up steam.
    You can use that warped logic and envy to continually justify anyone who makes more than the average paying more and more until they have no more than the average. You like most welfare socialists labor under the delusion that taxes should be based solely on ability to pay rather than what people use or demand in services. Your system panders to parasitic behavior and ENCOURAGES more and more government which of course is what welfare socialists want

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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    But this the only way to compromise in a divided congress
    It truely is unfortunate. Not only is it the only way to "compromise", but it ends all bills. I haven't done the reading yet, but aren't the dems getting everything they want in this bill except for the pipeline? Or is this bill just what the repubs wanted?
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    Re: House Passes Payroll Tax Cut Extension With Keystone Pipeline Provision Read mor

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The answer is in its name... and we have gone over this territory before.... many times.

    Social Security is a program which has a double purpose in that it provides aid for individuals and provides security for society as a whole. It is NOT and IRA. To pretend to treat it as one while ignoring the societal benefits of it is to engage in intellectual dishonesty of the worst sort.
    The left loves to calls turds pretty names and then argue that the pretty name is why the turd ought to be passed. They ignore the actual legislative history or the law itself and argue that since "social security" is called "social security" we can use it as a income redistribution scheme in direct contradiction of the legislative history because it SOUNDS GOOD

    its like the gun banners who claimed we had to extend the clinton gun ban because it was called the "SAFE STREETS ACT" and if it sunsetted our streets would not longer be SAFE or the clowns who claim that the "General welfare clause" justifies Welfare socialism

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