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    Re: Protesters halt operations at some western ports

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Fact...the bill could not be vetoed
    Fact...the right supported the bill
    Fact...the left did not
    The president can veto any bill he does not like. It doesn't matter if there are 1/3rds or 2/3rds in congress who want it enacted.The 2/3rds just means they can enact a bill into law despite the president's veto.


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    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Protesters halt operations at some western ports

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The GOP was the party that supported Free Trade. The left opposed it
    You do realize that Clinton supports free trade? The one thing that has harmed jobs the most is free trade.
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    Re: Protesters halt operations at some western ports

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The president can veto any bill he does not like. It doesn't matter if there are 1/3rds or 2/3rds in congress who want it enacted.The 2/3rds just means they can enact a bill into law despite the president's veto.


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    In the United States, Congress can override a presidential veto by having a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and Senate, thus enacting the bill into law despite the president's veto.
    Vetoing a bill with a veto proof majority is a useless act. The fact remains that the bill was proposed by rightwinger, supported by rightwingers, voted for by rightwingers, and now the right wants to whine "Clinton made us do it"

    It's the ABC's of republicanism "Always Blame Clinton"
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    Re: Protesters halt operations at some western ports

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You do realize that Clinton supports free trade?
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    Yes. Do you have a point, or should I expect more non-sequitors from you?
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    Re: Protesters halt operations at some western ports

    Congrats, off topic again.
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    Re: Protesters halt operations at some western ports

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Vetoing a bill with a veto proof majority is a useless act.
    It still does not change the fact that if Clinton didn't want it then he could have vetoed it.No one forced him to sign the bill.The fact he signed the bill means he supports it.


    The fact remains that the bill was proposed by rightwinger, supported by rightwingers, voted for by rightwingers, and now the right wants to whine "Clinton made us do it"
    The fact remains it is democrat president who signed it into law. if he didn't sign into law it would have been republican veto that signed it into law. You seem to have the misconception that liberal politicians give a **** about the working class. The truth is both parties kiss the ass of businesses.

    It's the ABC's of republicanism "Always Blame Clinton"
    The ABC's of partisan hack libs is to always blame republicans.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    what the **** does bill clinton have to do with this ****? Holy **** man!!!!!!!!
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    Re: Protesters halt operations at some western ports

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes. Do you have a point, or should I expect more non-sequitors from you?
    The point is democrats have screwed workers just as much or if not more than republicans have done.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Protesters halt operations at some western ports

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It still does not change the fact that if Clinton didn't want it then he could have vetoed it.No one forced him to sign the bill.The fact he signed the bill means he supports it.




    The fact remains it is democrat president who signed it into law. if he didn't sign into law it would have been republican veto that signed it into law. You seem to have the misconception that liberal politicians give a **** about the working class. The truth is both parties kiss the ass of businesses.



    The ABC's of partisan hack libs is to always blame republicans.
    That doesn't change the fact that signing a bill that didn't need his signature does not make him wholly responsible for it. The fact remains that it was the rightwing who supported the bill and the left who opposed it. You seem to have the misconception that rightwing politicians give a **** about the working class and had nothing to do with repealing Glass-Steagall.
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    Re: Protesters halt operations at some western ports

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The point is democrats have screwed workers just as much or if not more than republicans have done.
    Which is why I'm an independent, but at least I'm not so dishonest that I try to pretend that the right had nothing to do with repealing Glass-Steagall.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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