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    Re: San Francisco Becomes First U.S. City to Top $10 Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Hopefully those already making 10 dollars an hour are not expecting a pay raise.



    David Frias works two minimum-wage jobs to squeak by in one of the most expensive cities in America. Come New Year's Day, he'll have a few more coins in his pocket as San Francisco makes history by becoming the first city in the nation to scale a $10 minimum wage. The city's hourly wage for its lowest-paid workers will hit $10.24, more than $2 above the California minimum wage and nearly $3 more than the working wage set by the federal government.
    It won't put much more in Frias' wallet. But it gives him a sense of moving on up.

    "It's a psychological boost," said Frias, who is a 34-year-old usher at a movie theater and a security guard for a crowd control firm. "It means that I'll have more money in my wallet to pay my bills and money to spend in the city to help the economy."
    San Franciscans passed a proposition in 2003 that requires the city to increase the minimum wage each year, using a formula tied to inflation and the cost of living. It's just another way the progressive people of the City by the Bay have shown their support for the working-class in a locale where labor unions remain strong and housing costs are sky high.
    Karl Kramer of the San Francisco Living Wage Coalition said a decent wage for a single adult without children in the city would be $15, and that doubles when you have at least one child or more. But like other advocates of better wages, he's still pleased that San Francisco will be the first in the nation to top $10.

    I am a little confused.

    The first paragraph says it won't put much more in his wallet but the second says he will have more money to pay his bills and spend in town.

    Which is it?

    What was the minimum raised from?

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    Re: San Francisco Becomes First U.S. City to Top $10 Minimum Wage

    Minimum wage COULD be higher, but in general a minimum wage shouldn't be to high, the Conservatives do have a point in this, minimum wage jobs are for first time workers, teenagers and such, and if it goes to high, it COULD be damaging to some extent. I'm not an economist, so I wouldn't know where the line is, but it should be raised along with living wage, BUT not high enough to live off of necessarily, but it should rise a little bit, as living expenses go up.

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    Re: San Francisco Becomes First U.S. City to Top $10 Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by FFDP666 View Post
    Minimum wage COULD be higher, but in general a minimum wage shouldn't be to high, the Conservatives do have a point in this, minimum wage jobs are for first time workers, teenagers and such, and if it goes to high, it COULD be damaging to some extent. I'm not an economist, so I wouldn't know where the line is, but it should be raised along with living wage, BUT not high enough to live off of necessarily, but it should rise a little bit, as living expenses go up.
    What is a living wage?

    Are you talking about aliving wage for a married man with 3 kids and a mortgage or a divorced man with 3 kids, alimony and 2 mortages?

    If the employeer has to pay an employee everything that employee will need to survive with all his bills included, that employeer will only hire teenagers that live with thier parents. How will any other people very get jobs?

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    Re: San Francisco Becomes First U.S. City to Top $10 Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
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    According to the Small Business Administration they are fairly significant, and worse for those who cannot utilize economies of scale as well as larger businesses can.

    it's worth noting that this is from 2005, and therefore does not count the regulatory bonanza that has been going on the past few years. nobody knows yet what Obamacare is going to eventually end up costing them.
    Okay, what I meant to ask was what specific regulations should be done away with? Not the exact costs (and I should have been more clear). The paper you posted is pretty dense, and 95 pages. I did browse it, but it was not specific enough for my needs, so could you give me some specifics?

    I am saying this because I feel that there is a lot of talk about how businesses are over regulated. And I am sure that there are some regulations that are unnecessarily burdensome on some businesses. However I also think that some regulations are necessary. Thus, the statement that "there needs to be less regulations" means as little to me as the statement that "there needs to be more regulations." Without specifics, both are just talking points.

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    Re: San Francisco Becomes First U.S. City to Top $10 Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    how will they, given that they are A) likely to be the least educated, B) likely to be the least credit worthy, C) likely to be the least educatable and D) now unable to make up for these things by building work experience?

    but at least someone is admitting that this means kicking poor people to the curb.
    I just don't follow the logic. Lets say there are 100 janitor jobs at some building in SF, and lets pretend they make minimum wage. The minimum wage raises to $10. Would people lose their jobs at this point?

    As people leave their jobs as janitors, are you saying the people who would replace them would come from a higher skill/education set? Why? <--- this is the main thing I don't understand. Why would someone with a higher skill set become a janitor? Why not fill a job that people from their skill level historically fills?

    And if so, aren't these people unemployed already? Does it matter who gets the job, a higher skilled worker or a lower skilled worker, as long as the job is there for someone to have?

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    Re: San Francisco Becomes First U.S. City to Top $10 Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by nathanj63 View Post
    Okay, what I meant to ask was what specific regulations should be done away with? Not the exact costs (and I should have been more clear). The paper you posted is pretty dense, and 95 pages. I did browse it, but it was not specific enough for my needs, so could you give me some specifics?
    This isn't a business expense per se but it is businesses that will have to pay for it.

    In the Clean Water Act it was decided that rain water needed regulated and it instructed cities that they must devise a plan to regulate rain water. Now we live in a small city without a city engineer and had to hire one specifically for this. It was sent in and was rejected for 4 things. O.K., re-do and sent back in where it was rejected for 36 things.

    All completely asinine. The town has said screw it, we aren't going to do it. Other larger cities have done the same thing. I can certainly undertand a business deciding they would rather not expand than deal with new regulations.

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    Re: San Francisco Becomes First U.S. City to Top $10 Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    This isn't a business expense per se but it is businesses that will have to pay for it.

    In the Clean Water Act it was decided that rain water needed regulated and it instructed cities that they must devise a plan to regulate rain water. Now we live in a small city without a city engineer and had to hire one specifically for this. It was sent in and was rejected for 4 things. O.K., re-do and sent back in where it was rejected for 36 things.

    All completely asinine. The town has said screw it, we aren't going to do it. Other larger cities have done the same thing. I can certainly undertand a business deciding they would rather not expand than deal with new regulations.
    I sometimes work with these regulations...nightmarish.
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    Re: San Francisco Becomes First U.S. City to Top $10 Minimum Wage

    Decisions like this are why items on the dollar menu at McDonalds in San Francisco cost $1.50.

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    Re: San Francisco Becomes First U.S. City to Top $10 Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Decisions like this are why items on the dollar menu at McDonalds in San Francisco cost $1.50.
    $1.50 for a burger that someone else prepped for you - sounds cheap to me

    Couldn't pay me a $1.50 to cook for anyone outside the family to save one's soul.
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    Re: San Francisco Becomes First U.S. City to Top $10 Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    What is a living wage?

    Are you talking about aliving wage for a married man with 3 kids and a mortgage or a divorced man with 3 kids, alimony and 2 mortages?

    If the employeer has to pay an employee everything that employee will need to survive with all his bills included, that employeer will only hire teenagers that live with thier parents. How will any other people very get jobs?
    No, I think you misunderstand what I meant. A minimum wage is not supposed to be equal to a living wage (for one person) BUT as living expenses go up or as the living wage goes up, the minimum wage should follow, but only at a far distance and more slowly.

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