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    Re: Supreme Court will hear Arizona immigration case

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The general rule is that states can enforce federal *criminal* law but not federal civil law (without explicit permission). Immigration status is a civil matter. In other words, this isn't a case of the states doing what states normally do. It would be an unusual expansion of state enforcement power.
    Isn't being an illegal immigrant a crime punishable by arrest? If so, its no longer civil, it's criminal.

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    Re: Supreme Court will hear Arizona immigration case

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    Isn't being an illegal immigrant a crime punishable by arrest? If so, its no longer civil, it's criminal.
    No, actually it isn't a crime punishable by arrest. Just ask then U.S. Attorney Chris Christie: Christie: Being undocumented not a crime for all immigrants - New York Daily News

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    Re: Supreme Court will hear Arizona immigration case

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I'm sure you're right -- these Alabama farmers are just lying ... because ... they just ove illegal aliens. Or something.

    UPDATED (4): Farmers call for halt to new law (WITH VIDEOS) Top News CullmanTimes.com - Cullman, Alabama
    I doubt these farmers are actually having a hard time find legal workers. Because they have two option they could do.Raise the wages high enough attract legal workers because legal workers will not work for the same wages illegals will work for. Seeing how H2A VISAs are petitioned by the employer and not the employee that means it is up to these farmers to get legal migrant workers.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Supreme Court will hear Arizona immigration case

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No, actually it isn't a crime punishable by arrest. Just ask then U.S. Attorney Chris Christie: Christie: Being undocumented not a crime for all immigrants - New York Daily News
    Christie is full of ****.
    Illegal Immigration IS A CRIME!
    Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:


    * Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or
    * Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
    * Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;

    has committed a federal crime.

    Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Supreme Court will hear Arizona immigration case

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Christie is full of ****.
    Illegal Immigration IS A CRIME!
    Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:


    * Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or
    * Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
    * Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;

    has committed a federal crime.

    Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.
    You're forgetting that around 40% of undocumented immigrants did not enter illegally.

    So again, the mere fact of being in the country without proper documentation is not a crime.

    PolitiFact | Democratic Rep. Gutierrez says 40 percent of illegal immigrants overstay visas

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    Re: Supreme Court will hear Arizona immigration case

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No, actually it isn't a crime punishable by arrest. Just ask then U.S. Attorney Chris Christie: Christie: Being undocumented not a crime for all immigrants - New York Daily News
    You're own article states that entering the country illegally is a federal misdemeanor. And irregardless of whether they came here legally but overstayed thier visa or if they came across the border they will get arrested. The only difference being that one that stayed past thier visa is not charged with a crime where as one that crossed the border will. But in both cases they will be arrested.
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    Re: Supreme Court will hear Arizona immigration case

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You're forgetting that around 40% of undocumented immigrants did not enter illegally.

    So again, the mere fact of being in the country without proper documentation is not a crime.

    PolitiFact | Democratic Rep. Gutierrez says 40 percent of illegal immigrants overstay visas
    And the punishment for overstaying your visa is deportation, and ban of either 3-years(more than 180 days overstayed) or 10-years(more than 1 year overstayed) for re-entry, into the states.

    These rules were set into law in 1996.

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    Re: Supreme Court will hear Arizona immigration case

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The general rule is that states can enforce federal *criminal* law but not federal civil law (without explicit permission). Immigration status is a civil matter. In other words, this isn't a case of the states doing what states normally do. It would be an unusual expansion of state enforcement power.
    Holey god, state power expanding for a change instead of federal!!!!????


    No wonder you are against it.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Supreme Court will hear Arizona immigration case

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You're forgetting that around 40% of undocumented immigrants did not enter illegally.

    So again, the mere fact of being in the country without proper documentation is not a crime.

    PolitiFact | Democratic Rep. Gutierrez says 40 percent of illegal immigrants overstay visas
    I USED to pay my car insurance, then I stopped. I still drive.


    Crime or no?
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Supreme Court will hear Arizona immigration case

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    People are willing to take those jobs even with the "government cheese". Or are you saying that those on welfare are lazy?
    Far too many are...yes. And worse, in many cases the financial incentive is greater to stay on unemployment and welfare than working. That can and should be addressed as well.

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