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    Re: Supreme Court will hear Arizona immigration case

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Im saying it is mindless and extraordinarily hypocritical to claim that enforcement of immigration laws is the sole arena of the fed when 1-they have consistently failed in the commission of said duties and 2-have set out to train and commission state LE to enforce immigration law.
    It's anything but mindless or hypocritical. In fact it's mindless to have individual states making up their own rules regarding enforcement of civil immigration laws that should be enforced uniformly throughout the country.

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    Re: Supreme Court will hear Arizona immigration case

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    I hope the law is stuck down. Not only is it immoral, it is unconstitutional. The Constitution specifically grants the power to regulate naturalization and immigration to the federal government, not the States.
    There is nothing in the law which stops that or interfere's with it. All that it does is give support to federal law. That law does not stop the Federal government from naturalizing illegals nor does it stop or inhibit legal immigration.

    As for it being immoral...it is more immoral for illegals to ignore our laws and come here taking jobs from American citizens and legal immigrants.
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    Re: Supreme Court will hear Arizona immigration case

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It's anything but mindless or hypocritical. In fact it's mindless to have individual states making up their own rules regarding enforcement of civil immigration laws that should be enforced uniformly throughout the country.
    Then perhaps the Federal Government should be doing its job.
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    Re: Supreme Court will hear Arizona immigration case

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Then perhaps the Federal Government should be doing its job.
    We're experiencing negative immigration. Illegal immigration is falling. Enforcement and deportations are up. In fact there has been a record number of deportations under Obama.

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    Re: Supreme Court will hear Arizona immigration case

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It's anything but mindless or hypocritical. In fact it's mindless to have individual states making up their own rules regarding enforcement of civil immigration laws that should be enforced uniformly throughout the country.
    or in other words...not at all...uniformly...across the country.

    Forgetting of course that the fed has been training states to enforce immigration law.

    California can have all the illegals they want. Arizona doesnt want illegal immigration. Many states are tired of the failure of the fed. They are doing what the fed wont. If the fed was doing their job the states wouldnt have to (except of course where the feds have TRAINED state agents to do so).
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    Re: Supreme Court will hear Arizona immigration case

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    We're experiencing negative immigration. Illegal immigration is falling. Enforcement and deportations are up. In fact there has been a record number of deportations under Obama.
    We are also having a crappy economy. Which is why illegal immigration is falling. It is also probably why deportations are up. If you were an illegal from France and you have no money and want to get out of this crappy economy what do you think is the easiest and cheapest and safest way to go about it? Yep, thats right, get "caught". You now have a free ticket home.

    What do you think will happen when our economy picks back up again?

    Besides which, Obama has stopped looking for ALL illegals. He has instead decided to only focus on those illegals which are violent. While it's good that he is going after them...he needs to go after ALL illegals. Not just the violent ones.
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    Re: Supreme Court will hear Arizona immigration case

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    We are also having a crappy economy. Which is why illegal immigration is falling. It is also probably why deportations are up. If you were an illegal from France and you have no money and want to get out of this crappy economy what do you think is the easiest and cheapest and safest way to go about it? Yep, thats right, get "caught". You now have a free ticket home.

    What do you think will happen when our economy picks back up again?

    Besides which, Obama has stopped looking for ALL illegals. He has instead decided to only focus on those illegals which are violent. While it's good that he is going after them...he needs to go after ALL illegals. Not just the violent ones.
    The economy is certainly responsible for most of the drastic reduction in illegal immigration, but you're mistaken if you think that deportations are people looking for a free ticket home. They are mostly deporting individuals found to have criminal records.

    But you do make a good point about it costing money to leave the country. In fact, it costs about $28,000 to deport someone. That means it would cost about $250 billion to deport all of the illegals (not counting the economic and tax benefits they bring). Still sound like a good idea?

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    Re: Supreme Court will hear Arizona immigration case

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The economy is certainly responsible for most of the drastic reduction in illegal immigration, but you're mistaken if you think that deportations are people looking for a free ticket home. They are mostly deporting individuals found to have criminal records.
    Not hard to get a criminal record in the US. Walk up and slap a cop and see how quickly you get a criminal record.

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    But you do make a good point about it costing money to leave the country. In fact, it costs about $28,000 to deport someone. That means it would cost about $250 billion to deport all of the illegals (not counting the economic and tax benefits they bring). Still sound like a good idea?
    In the long run yes. Provided our Federal Government started enforceing our laws and made the punishments for buisnesses hiring illegals stricter. Besides, when Obama was first elected what was one of the first things that he signed? A stimulus bill that cost dang near a trillion dollars. I'm pretty sure that 250 billion could be gotten for this.
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    Re: Supreme Court will hear Arizona immigration case

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Not hard to get a criminal record in the US. Walk up and slap a cop and see how quickly you get a criminal record.



    In the long run yes. Provided our Federal Government started enforceing our laws and made the punishments for buisnesses hiring illegals stricter. Besides, when Obama was first elected what was one of the first things that he signed? A stimulus bill that cost dang near a trillion dollars. I'm pretty sure that 250 billion could be gotten for this.
    Yeah, that's just what we need. Spend a quarter of a trillion dollars doing something that's going to kick the economy in the balls.

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    Re: Supreme Court will hear Arizona immigration case

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yeah, that's just what we need. Spend a quarter of a trillion dollars doing something that's going to kick the economy in the balls.
    Please. I don't buy that "kick the economy in the balls" crap. I don't believe that "Americans won't do the jobs that illegals will do" (I should know...I'm american and have done every job which "americans won't do"). Any increase in prices due to kicking them out have been proven to be negligable. (I've posted a few links proving this before...and no, i'll not repost the links...do you're own homework.)

    Will it unsettle the economy? A bit yeah...but it will quickly even out and be better for it.
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