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    Re: Supreme Court will hear Arizona immigration case

    Quote Originally Posted by U.S. Socialist. View Post
    I hope the law is stuck down. Not only is it immoral, it is unconstitutional. The Constitution specifically grants the power to regulate naturalization and immigration to the federal government, not the States.
    And of course you realize that the federal government spent millions of dollars training state and local police agencies to enforce federal immigration laws...right? This isnt about WHO has the authority to enforce what...it is about states finally deciding to act where the fed has failed so miserably to act. Alabama, Arizona, Georgia...all they are doing is passing laws that they are actually willing to ENFORCE. And THAT...THAT is what really pisses people off. Its just not FAIR to fight illegal immigration legally...

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    Currently ICE has 287(g) agreements with 69 law enforcement agencies in 24 states. Since January 2006, the 287(g) program is credited with identifying more than 217,300 potentially removable aliens — mostly at local jails. ICE has trained and certified more than 1,500 state and local officers to enforce immigration law.

    Fact Sheet: Delegation of Immigration Authority Section 287(g) Immigration and Nationality Act

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    Re: Supreme Court will hear Arizona immigration case

    Quote Originally Posted by U.S. Socialist. View Post
    I hope the law is stuck down. Not only is it immoral, it is unconstitutional. The Constitution specifically grants the power to regulate naturalization and immigration to the federal government, not the States.
    The constitution also, once upon a time, prohibited a federal income tax, but we fixed that, didn't we?
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Supreme Court will hear Arizona immigration case

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And of course you realize that the federal government spent millions of dollars training state and local police agencies to enforce federal immigration laws...right? This isnt about WHO has the authority to enforce what...it is about states finally deciding to act where the fed has failed so miserably to act. Alabama, Arizona, Georgia...all they are doing is passing laws that they are actually willing to ENFORCE. And THAT...THAT is what really pisses people off. Its just not FAIR to fight illegal immigration legally...

    287(g) Results and Participating Entities
    Currently ICE has 287(g) agreements with 69 law enforcement agencies in 24 states. Since January 2006, the 287(g) program is credited with identifying more than 217,300 potentially removable aliens — mostly at local jails. ICE has trained and certified more than 1,500 state and local officers to enforce immigration law.

    Fact Sheet: Delegation of Immigration Authority Section 287(g) Immigration and Nationality Act
    GREAT point.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Supreme Court will hear Arizona immigration case

    edit : redundant info in my link
    Last edited by Helix; 12-12-11 at 08:43 PM.

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    Re: Supreme Court will hear Arizona immigration case

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    The constitution also, once upon a time, prohibited a federal income tax, but we fixed that, didn't we?
    Yes we did, through a constitutional amendment. If you want to try and pass an amendment to the Constitution to allow the states to regulate naturalization and immigration,then go for it.

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    Re: Supreme Court will hear Arizona immigration case

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Did she recuse herself because she had a hand in the paperwork originally filed by the administration? I'm not really up to speed on what she was involved in before her placement in the SCOTUS.
    I dont like the thought of any of the justices recusing themselves. If they cant execute the oath they have no business being a Supreme Court justice.

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    Re: Supreme Court will hear Arizona immigration case

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And of course you realize that the federal government spent millions of dollars training state and local police agencies to enforce federal immigration laws...right? This isnt about WHO has the authority to enforce what...it is about states finally deciding to act where the fed has failed so miserably to act. Alabama, Arizona, Georgia...all they are doing is passing laws that they are actually willing to ENFORCE. And THAT...THAT is what really pisses people off. Its just not FAIR to fight illegal immigration legally...

    287(g) Results and Participating Entities
    Currently ICE has 287(g) agreements with 69 law enforcement agencies in 24 states. Since January 2006, the 287(g) program is credited with identifying more than 217,300 potentially removable aliens — mostly at local jails. ICE has trained and certified more than 1,500 state and local officers to enforce immigration law.

    Fact Sheet: Delegation of Immigration Authority Section 287(g) Immigration and Nationality Act

    You're saying that those officers who haven't been trained and certified by the federal government should just be empowered by their own states?

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    Re: Supreme Court will hear Arizona immigration case

    I am still amazed that some will support "illegal" aliens entering the US. The laws AZ wrote and other States is dealing with illegal aliens. It does nothing that existing federal law does, except instead of a federal agent a local LE after making a stop for some other violation can check a persons immigration status if they suspect the person to be in the US illegally. How is that making new immigration law. State is not controlling the number of legal immigrants. Checking status is nothing new. By federal law a legal alien in the US must carry proper identificaton to indicate they are here legally.

    As other have said, it will be interesting what the SC decides. While the SC has ruled in the past on immigration, the cases dealt with legal immigrants, not illegal.
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    Re: Supreme Court will hear Arizona immigration case

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    I am still amazed that some will support "illegal" aliens entering the US. The laws AZ wrote and other States is dealing with illegal aliens. It does nothing that existing federal law does, except instead of a federal agent a local LE after making a stop for some other violation can check a persons immigration status if they suspect the person to be in the US illegally. How is that making new immigration law. State is not controlling the number of legal immigrants. Checking status is nothing new. By federal law a legal alien in the US must carry proper identificaton to indicate they are here legally.

    As other have said, it will be interesting what the SC decides. While the SC has ruled in the past on immigration, the cases dealt with legal immigrants, not illegal.
    If the federal government decided to actually start enforcing anti-illegal immigration laws, how many the pro-illegals would still say its only the federal government's job?
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    Re: Supreme Court will hear Arizona immigration case

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    You're saying that those officers who haven't been trained and certified by the federal government should just be empowered by their own states?
    Im saying it is mindless and extraordinarily hypocritical to claim that enforcement of immigration laws is the sole arena of the fed when 1-they have consistently failed in the commission of said duties and 2-have set out to train and commission state LE to enforce immigration law.

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