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Saudi Arabia executes woman convicted of 'sorcery'

Grant said:
Which countries are these?
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Kenya:

Can one be convicted of murder in a case where there is no physical evidence of a body, a post-mortem report or where no pathologist or other medical expert is called to corroborate the death of a person and the cause?

These are some of the questions a court in Eldoret had to consider in a unique case in which four people, including a father and his daughter, were charged with killing their neighbour over claims of witchcraft.
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Ghana:

Fear Despite being safely in Vancouver, Korak is still in the closet. Old beliefs die hard. He is afraid of being discovered as a homosexual by fellow Ghanaians at his Vancouver church. In a strange new land, he needs continued contact with his own culture. However, many newcomers are still socially conservative. Many still hate gays as a God-given right. He does not feel safe.

Perhaps this can be a reminder for us. Hatred and exorcisms are not confined to African traditional religions. With rapid growth of Pentecostal, charismatic and evangelical churches on that continent, they are harnessing Africans’ fear of witchcraft and supernatural powers. Both religions and governments gain power by demonizing gays and lesbians, denouncing low Western morals. It is cheaper for African governments to look engaged by passing anti-gay laws than to deliver clean water, sewage systems or education.
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Zimbabwe:

“My womb carried 20 children, but only 10 of them survived,” she began. When pressed to say why she believed her children died, she attributes it to witchcraft.

“My neighbour is a witch, responsible for the deaths of my children. Whenever I bore a child and they survived, I was sure I would lose the next one to her. They all died in their infancy.”

Madzimai, as women are called in the sect, said she delivered her first child in 1981 when she was 15-years-old. All of her children were delivered with the assistance of midwives, especially commissioned from her church.

“There are older and experienced women in my church who are specially ordained by God to help pregnant mothers deliver their babies safely.”
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And this one isn't really predominately Christian but the cases involve the Protestant community:

African Children Denounced As "Witches" By Christian Pastors

EKET, Nigeria — The nine-year-old boy lay on a bloodstained hospital sheet crawling with ants, staring blindly at the wall.

His family pastor had accused him of being a witch, and his father then tried to force acid down his throat as an exorcism. It spilled as he struggled, burning away his face and eyes. The emaciated boy barely had strength left to whisper the name of the church that had denounced him – Mount Zion Lighthouse.

A month later, he died.

Nwanaokwo Edet was one of an increasing number of children in Africa accused of witchcraft by pastors and then tortured or killed, often by family members. Pastors were involved in half of 200 cases of "witch children" reviewed by the AP, and 13 churches were named in the case files.
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Grant said:
As long as Iran is publicly hanging Gays from lamp posts they'll be a strong contender for the most barbaric.
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Oh for ffs. Educate yourself. Saudi law allows the death penalty for homosexuality.
 
The Saudis and Irans human rights abuses are both disgusting and appalling. Irans have received a great deal of coverage over the last few years because they are the current flavour of the month and the war drums are beating in their direction.

Saudi Arabia's human rights abuses on the other hand....for the most part all you hear is crickets.
 
Serenity said:
Oh for ffs. Educate yourself. Saudi law allows the death penalty for homosexuality.
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No doubt.

But if you read the thread again you'll see I mentioned Iran publicly hanging Gays from lampposts.

Do you feel that's acceptable?
 
Grant said:
No doubt.

But if you read the thread again you'll see I mentioned Iran publicly hanging Gays from lampposts.

Do you feel that's acceptable?
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of course not. but is that really somehow worse than killing them in private via lethal injection?

it's the killing a person on account of their sexual orientation that drives the unacceptability. the hanging of the corpse from a lamppost is incidental.
 
why you all hatin' on saudi? you jelly? you must be, look at how awesome this country is



the drifting around a school bus full of children is especially awesome. Seriously, though, saudis probably watch similar videos from the states and are like "look at these crazy hillbilly americans"
 
Grant said:
No doubt.

But if you read the thread again you'll see I mentioned Iran publicly hanging Gays from lampposts.

Do you feel that's acceptable?
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Clearly not. Which is why i said Saudi and Irans human rights abuses are both disgusting and appalling. You're the one suggesting that hanging gays from lamposts is worse.

Hanging gays from lamposts (and they often use cranes by the way) is no more repulsive and barbaric than the Saudis taking this woman to a public square, laying out plastic so they don't mess up their streets with blood, shackling the prisoner and cuffing their hands behind their back while they are made to kneel down facing Mecca. The executioner then stands behind the prisoner, pokes them in the back with the blade so that they lift their head and then they decapitate them. If they are lucky their head comes off with one swing of the sword. There is a doctor in attendance and after someone has retrieved the head, the doctor stems the flow of blood spurting out of the neck and then he sews the head back on before the body is taken away.

That's what the Saudis do. You won't convince me one is worse than the other. They are both disgusting.
 
Hatuey said:
What does Islam have to do with peacefulness? You do know that there are predominately Christian countries where Protestants go around chopping down witches right? People only need one excuse to be savages. If Islam is the excuse the Saudis, a country where most of the population is still living in the 15th century, are using then it does nothing to determine whether Islam itself is peaceful or not.
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Muslims are the most violent religious zealots on the planet....acknowledging that would go along way to building bridges
 
lpast said:
Muslims are the most violent religious zealots on the planet....acknowledging that would go along way to building bridges
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Lol generalizing statements with no evidence to back them up are generally flawed.
 
Most violent? Maybe...but I think you can prove that there is a sect of the religion that is violent and extreme. But I am sure you can do that with many religions and groups. I think the issue is that it is portrayed as acceptable by muslims for other muslims to be violent.
 
Grant said:
If you are going to compare the Middle East to backward villages in Africa then I'm willing to agree with you.
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They both have something in common...much of their cultural attitude hasn't gotten close to entering the 20th century let alone the 21st century. In that way, yes...I think they are similar.
 
the_recruit said:
of course not. but is that really somehow worse than killing them in private via lethal injection?

it's the killing a person on account of their sexual orientation that drives the unacceptability. the hanging of the corpse from a lamppost is incidental.
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Both are laws are equally odious but hanging Gays from lampposts is doubly abhorrent. Many American states have the death penalty and people protest against this. But even those who most advocate the death penalty in America would not want to hang people from lampposts. There has to be some dignity in the solemn taking of a human life, and should not be seen as a public celebration, as the Iranians make it.
 
Hatuey said:
Lol generalizing statements with no evidence to back them up are generally flawed.
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It´s not an unfair statement. There are Muslims committing murder in the name of their religion in many areas of the world, including North America, Europe, Africa, Asia and of course the Middle East. A Huge number of Muslims support these atrocities, as we can see from the subject of this thread.

The phrase "not all Germans are Nazis" might have been used preceding WWII but people were sophisticated enough then to understand that. Now it seems that there are people so stupid that they have to repeatedly remind others that "Not all Muslims are terrorists". They have to be reminded occasionally that this is very common knowledge,
 
Zyphlin said:
They both have something in common...much of their cultural attitude hasn't gotten close to entering the 20th century let alone the 21st century. In that way, yes...I think they are similar.
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Yes, to say that one is uglier or more ignorant than another is a difficult road to take. You pretty much summed it up.
 
Grant said:
Would it matter to you what the Saudis think of Americans?
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9/11 was the result of us not giving a damn about what the disenfranchised people of the middle east thought

so yes, it does matter
 
Jesus H. Christ on a Harley Davidson...what century is it over there?
 
justabubba said:
9/11 was the result of us not giving a damn about what the disenfranchised people of the middle east thought

so yes, it does matter
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So, Braveheart, you want to make nice with the Saudis and ignore their treatment of women and Gays in case the US is attacked again?

It didn't take much to bring you to your knees, did it?
 
Grant said:
It´s not an unfair statement.
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Fair and unfair are subjective. I called his statement "generalized". That's accurate.

There are Muslims committing murder in the name of their religion in many areas of the world, including North America, Europe, Africa, Asia and of course the Middle East. A Huge number of Muslims support these atrocities, as we can see from the subject of this thread.
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Yes and this does what to prove "Muslims are the most violent religious zealots on the planet"?

The phrase "not all Germans are Nazis" might have been used preceding WWII but people were sophisticated enough then to understand that. Now it seems that there are people so stupid that they have to repeatedly remind others that "Not all Muslims are terrorists". They have to be reminded occasionally that this is very common knowledge,
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Yawn.
 
Hatuey said:
Fair and unfair are subjective. I called his statement "generalized". That's accurate.
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Generalized in what way?

Yes and this does what to prove "Muslims are the most violent religious zealots on the planet"?
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Is it really necessary to go through the litany of Islamic crimes against humanity over the past few decades? If you have no awareness if history, what are you doing on these boards?
 
danarhea said:
Bat**** crazy in Saudi Arabia. The nature of the sorcery was the woman charging 800 bucks for a product that she claimed could cure illness. She should have been selling this here in the US, where she could have had her own infomercial on TV. LOL.

As for the death penalty itself, Saudi Arabia is in great company with the likes of China, Iran, and Texas. :mrgreen:

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Right because Texas executes people for sorcery all the time.:roll:
 
Grant said:
Is it really necessary to go through the litany of Islamic crimes against humanity over the past few decades? If you have no awareness if history, what are you doing on these boards?
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You have no right to invoke history. You fail miserably.
 
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