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    Re: Death Penalty Dropped Against Mumia Abu-Jamal

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    you don't live in Pennsylvania, so its not your money.
    True, but the principle is the same; and I know a number of PA residents who think the same way I do on this. The fact that it takes ANY State or the Feds DECADES to execute someone is a complete and utter joke. Here's how I feel the system should work....

    1. Individual is convicted of Capital Crime and sentenced to Death.
    2. State Supreme Judicial Court MUST review the case within 10 days (not business days). If no error is found in the proceedings, the Defense is then asked if they want to appeal to the SCOTUS.
    3. If SCOTUS appeal is requested, the SCOTUS is required to rule on whether they'll hear the case or not within one month.
    4. If SCOTUS decides not to hear the case, execution occurs within 24 hours.

    At the most this means there is a roughly six week period that a guilty individual remains on death row. At the end of that time either their case is thrown out, the sentence is reduced to life, or they're carted away in a pine box.
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    Re: Death Penalty Dropped Against Mumia Abu-Jamal

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    As a TAXPAYER, I believe that wasting the State's money keeping this guy incarcerated for life when a $10 length of rope or a $0.50 bullet will suffice to mete out his punishment is INSANE.
    Well you yourself appear quite insane as well, so I don't know if it's saying something. If a crazy person thinks something is crazy, does that make the something sane?

    Regardless, the process is as it is and in jail for life, or dead by the hands of State; it's the same thing to the rest of us.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Death Penalty Dropped Against Mumia Abu-Jamal

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    Well you yourself appear quite insane as well, so I don't know if it's saying something. If a crazy person thinks something is crazy, does that make the something sane?

    Wow, I know I should be used to this kind of posting from you, as well as others on this board, but do you really think that dialogue that begins with such vitriolic laced venom, as calling the person you are addressing 'insane' is going to bring forth anything other than bickering, and one upping as far as response? In fact I would say that it borders, if not crosses the line of trolling, and being jerkish, both of which are non starters and makes one wonder why you even bother to post if this is all you have.

    Regardless, the process is as it is and in jail for life, or dead by the hands of State; it's the same thing to the rest of us.
    Would you feel the same if Officer Faulkner was say your brother?

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    Re: Death Penalty Dropped Against Mumia Abu-Jamal

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Wow, I know I should be used to this kind of posting from you, as well as others on this board, but do you really think that dialogue that begins with such vitriolic laced venom, as calling the person you are addressing 'insane' is going to bring forth anything other than bickering, and one upping as far as response? In fact I would say that it borders, if not crosses the line of trolling, and being jerkish, both of which are non starters and makes one wonder why you even bother to post if this is all you have.
    Was there a point to any of this, or do you just feel like playing Mod here?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Would you feel the same if Officer Faulkner was say your brother?

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    of course I would feel the same as the statement does not become false under this pretense. You're just trying to elicit emotional response.
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    Re: Death Penalty Dropped Against Mumia Abu-Jamal

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Regardless, the process is as it is and in jail for life, or dead by the hands of State; it's the same thing to the rest of us.
    Wow. You must really be doing well to be more than happy to put that much extra tax money in the hands of the State of Colorado and the Federal Government to house these worthless wastes of flesh and oxygen.

    You apparently have three current members of Death Row in Colorado. At a guestimate of $25K a year (probably much more) for the next 20 years, that's $1.5 million to incarcerate versus $1.50 to execute. Gee, I don't see any difference there.

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    Re: Death Penalty Dropped Against Mumia Abu-Jamal

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Wow. You must really be doing well to be more than happy to put that much extra tax money in the hands of the State of Colorado and the Federal Government to house these worthless wastes of flesh and oxygen...
    what if they are actually innocent?

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    Re: Death Penalty Dropped Against Mumia Abu-Jamal

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Wow. You must really be doing well to be more than happy to put that much extra tax money in the hands of the State of Colorado and the Federal Government to house these worthless wastes of flesh and oxygen.
    It costs more to execute them than it does to house them for life.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    You apparently have three current members of Death Row in Colorado. At a guestimate of $25K a year (probably much more) for the next 20 years, that's $1.5 million to incarcerate versus $1.50 to execute. Gee, I don't see any difference there.
    You can't just "execute them" for a 1.50. Being on death row is expensive, and it takes a ton of money to kill someone through the hands of government (as it should be). As such, it's cheaper to house a man for life than to kill them. And that's right where it should be, it should cost more to kill a man than to keep them alive for the rest of their lives.
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    Re: Death Penalty Dropped Against Mumia Abu-Jamal

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    what if they are actually innocent?
    In Colorado they are not. To use our death penalty, the burden of proof for the State is well higher than "beyond a reasonable doubt". We've made it so that the prosecution pretty much has to definitively demonstrate that the defendant was the one whom committed the crime, and that it is a crime deserving of death. That's why we only have 3 people on death row.
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    Re: Death Penalty Dropped Against Mumia Abu-Jamal

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    In Colorado they are not.....

    you can not know that for sure.

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    Re: Death Penalty Dropped Against Mumia Abu-Jamal

    That he'll never be free again sounds fine to me. Costs of keeping versus killing is irrelevant. In this case, it may be more punishment to keep him alive for a very long time still, and making sure he dies in prison.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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