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    Re: Holder, Grilled on Gun Inquiry, Says He Won’t Resign

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Not only is justice blind, but so, apparently, are you.

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    Still no evidence of lying or illegality. Once again, the only thing posted is rightwing whines and cartoons (or is that being redundant?)
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    Re: Holder, Grilled on Gun Inquiry, Says He Won’t Resign

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenvilleGrows View Post
    Actually, the original quote (below) was exactly that. Roughdraft said that thinking Holder should resign is partisan politics. The comparison is not a defense of Holder, it’s a defense of partisanship. The follow-ups are about the comparison only – not innocence or guilt.
    If it's found that Holder lied to Congress they should punish him as severely as the law will allow. All I'm saying is that I believe that if you want to start a witch hunt against holder you should actually prove that he's lied about something first. When I compare his testimony to Antonio Gonzales he has seemed much more openly transparent and forthcoming. Either you misunderstood what I meant or you are intentionally being obtuse. Regardless, I hope I've made my point more clear for you.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Holder, Grilled on Gun Inquiry, Says He Won’t Resign

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    If it's found that Holder lied to Congress they should punish him as severely as the law will allow. All I'm saying is that I believe that if you want to start a witch hunt against holder you should actually prove that he's lied about something first. When I compare his testimony to Antonio Gonzales he has seemed much more openly transparent and forthcoming. Either you misunderstood what I meant or you are intentionally being obtuse. Regardless, I hope I've made my point more clear for you.

    Could you cite the testimony from Gonzales concerning Fast and Furious please?


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    Re: Holder, Grilled on Gun Inquiry, Says He Won’t Resign

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    Could you cite the testimony from Gonzales concerning Fast and Furious please?


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    Re: Holder, Grilled on Gun Inquiry, Says He Won’t Resign

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    Try to keep up

    Oh I am up to speed, just trying to keep you honest, now that testimony please?


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    Re: Holder, Grilled on Gun Inquiry, Says He Won’t Resign

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Could you cite the testimony from Gonzales concerning Fast and Furious please?


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    Testimony doesn't have to be on the same topic for a reasonable (key word: reasonable) person to be able to compare and contrast. If you were a cop and you had one guy that you arrested on murder charges that gave you answers to everything you asked him and was very forthcoming and then arrested someone on burglary and said " I can't recall" to where he was on the night, who he was with, where he lives, what car does he drive etc. you would be reasonable in saying that the first guy seemed much more forthcoming than the second. That doesn't mean that one committed the crime and the other didn't, but it certainly looks bad from where I'm sitting.

    Now please continue misunderstanding the entirety of my post. Figuring out 100 different ways to explain the same thing to you is certainly helping my debate skills.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Holder, Grilled on Gun Inquiry, Says He Won’t Resign

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenvilleGrows View Post
    If Holder did this, he needs to be held accountable. If he was told to do it, whoever told him to do it should also be held accountable. If they knew what they were doing was illegal, prison should be on the table – people died.
    Agreed. Which is why I'm not sure why you think I've ever disagreed with the basic premise that you should be punished if you did something wrong. All I'm arguing is that he seemed very forthcoming and that I haven't hear anyone prove he lied about anything. If people just want to throw him in jail cause he made a bad judgement and someone died then i think they should also want the bush administration in jail for getting WMD's wrong and therefor killing soldiers. I seem to think that as long as they didn't lie about anything then we shouldn't be throwing the bush administration in jail, and I think the same thing for Eric Holder. If he did something illegal, punish him and anyone that knew above him. If not, reprimand him for making a bad decision and make him learn his lesson and move on.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Holder, Grilled on Gun Inquiry, Says He Won’t Resign

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh I am up to speed, just trying to keep you honest, now that testimony please?


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    If you wanted to be honest, you'd admit that RD wasn't referring to Gonzalez's testimony concerning F&F
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    Re: Holder, Grilled on Gun Inquiry, Says He Won’t Resign

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    If you wanted to be honest, you'd admit that RD wasn't referring to Gonzalez's testimony concerning F&F
    He knows. This is the diversion part of the discussion.

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    Re: Holder, Grilled on Gun Inquiry, Says He Won’t Resign

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Still no evidence of lying or illegality. Once again, the only thing posted is rightwing whines and cartoons (or is that being redundant?)
    I understand your perspective...

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