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    Re: Holder, Grilled on Gun Inquiry, Says He Won’t Resign

    Quote Originally Posted by katsung47 View Post
    698. FBI and DEA are behind the “Fast and Furious” (12/19/2011)

    1. FBI and DEA control the leaders of Mexican drug gang. Thus they actually control the drug activities of Mexico drug trading.



    2. BATF only carries out the order from Washington.

    How the "Fast and Furious" program put thousands of weapons directly into the hands of Mexican drug gangs
    Here's how "Fast and Furious" worked: Under orders from Washington, ATF agents were specifically told to acquire these weapons using "straw" buyers in the USA, find new buyers in Mexican drug gangs, then sell the weapons and "lose track" of them. Although some agents raised concerns about the insanity, they were overruled by the higher-ups in Washington who wanted to pursue this policy for their own reasons. "It made no sense to us either, it was just what we were ordered to do, and every time we questioned that order there was punitive action," said Phoenix Special Agent John Dodson.

    But what could be the reasons for Washington initiating such a program in the first place? Why would the Obama administration actively send 30,000 sniper rifles, assault weapons and firearms into Mexico even while claiming to follow an anti-gun stance back in the USA?

    To answer that question, you need to understand P.R.S -- Problem, Reaction, Solution. It is the "playbook" that governments use to get what they want, which usually involves: 1) Disarming their populations, 2) Taking away all their rights and freedoms, and then 3) Ruling over their people as tyrants with complete power.

    Precisely such an effort is now underway in the United States, led by the Obama administration which has repeatedly demonstrated itself to be an enemy of the U.S. Constitution and its Bill of Rights.


    US government openly admits arming Mexican drug gangs with 30,000 firearms - but why?

    3. Fast and Furious was not used to track the route of illegal weapons but was to cause a bloody killing field (or in National Defense Authorization Act: battle field).

    To track one weapon takes a team’s work. How many people does it need to track 3,000? So the Operation from the beginning was not to track the illegal route of the gun trading but to push up a killing wave in Mexico. BATF agent also was ordered “lose track” of these weapons. The purpose is to make Mexico a killing field to stop a witness of the Feds’ crime from leaving US.

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    Re: Holder, Grilled on Gun Inquiry, Says He Won’t Resign

    Supposedly they even armed them with gernades. In my book thats militairy explosives. Cops dont use frag gernades. I remember right after reading how they let gernades go to mexico gernades were thrown into a casino. I guess the new American way is to sell guns to EVERYBODY and wait for the crazies to pop out on their own.
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    Re: Holder, Grilled on Gun Inquiry, Says He Won’t Resign

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    I guess the new American way is to sell guns to EVERYBODY and wait for the crazies to pop out on their own.
    That's not the American way

    It's the NRA's fantasy
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    Re: Holder, Grilled on Gun Inquiry, Says He Won’t Resign

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That's not the American way

    It's the NRA's fantasy



    What do you mean?


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    Re: Holder, Grilled on Gun Inquiry, Says He Won’t Resign

    I think the real questions here are:

    1. Why was the BATFE smuggling guns to Mexican drug cartels? Those guns would most likely be used to kill Mexican civilians, police, or military personnel and US Border Patrol agents.

    2. How did they lose track of hundreds of weapons? They knew that they were going after the big fishes, so why not keep track of the weapons.

    3. Why did Holder define Operation Fast and Furious as "deeply flawed?" It should be defined as idiotic and not well-though out.
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    Re: Holder, Grilled on Gun Inquiry, Says He Won’t Resign

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    I think the real questions here are:

    1. Why was the BATFE smuggling guns to Mexican drug cartels? Those guns would most likely be used to kill Mexican civilians, police, or military personnel and US Border Patrol agents.
    To make the case that the 2nd Amendment must be curtailed here.

    2. How did they lose track of hundreds of weapons? They knew that they were going after the big fishes, so why not keep track of the weapons.
    They never planned on tracking them to begin with....Loss of life is a small consequence to Marxists propagandists.

    3. Why did Holder define Operation Fast and Furious as "deeply flawed?" It should be defined as idiotic and not well-though out.
    Because he got caught.


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    Re: Holder, Grilled on Gun Inquiry, Says He Won’t Resign

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    To make the case that the 2nd Amendment must be curtailed here.
    That's a huge leap. A really huge leap.

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    Re: Holder, Grilled on Gun Inquiry, Says He Won’t Resign

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's a huge leap. A really huge leap.
    Not so huge really....There are internal memo's.


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    Re: Holder, Grilled on Gun Inquiry, Says He Won’t Resign

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Not so huge really....There are internal memo's.


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    By all means, present some verifiable memos that say that.

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    Re: Holder, Grilled on Gun Inquiry, Says He Won’t Resign

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    I think the real questions here are:

    1. Why was the BATFE smuggling guns to Mexican drug cartels? Those guns would most likely be used to kill Mexican civilians, police, or military personnel and US Border Patrol agents.

    2. How did they lose track of hundreds of weapons? They knew that they were going after the big fishes, so why not keep track of the weapons.

    3. Why did Holder define Operation Fast and Furious as "deeply flawed?" It should be defined as idiotic and not well-though out.
    First of all, people seem to have this notion that the operation provided the cartels something that they couldn't have obtained otherwise, which seems to be completely unsupported. In fact the operation was undertaken because they wanted to stop what appeared to be the unimpeded flow of arms from the US to Mexico. Now, I haven't followed this all that closely, but I'm guessing that there was no way to actually track each and every gun. Could they have hidden GPS trackers in the weapons? Don't know. But I think the idea was that, if the guns turned up in a bust or crime, THEN they would be able to track them back to their source and that would give them the evidence they needed to shut down that particular source. Not a bad plan from a crime prevention standpoint, but obviously a terrible plan from a public relations standpoint.

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