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    Re: Virginia Tech Shooting: Lockdown After Two Killed, Including a Police Officer

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The cop was given a false sense of security, because he thought he was in a, "gun free", zone.
    You have no idea what the cop was thinking. Cops are trained to be wary of everyone. Stop making up stuff.
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    Re: Virginia Tech Shooting: Lockdown After Two Killed, Including a Police Officer

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    actually I do know. the professor was holding the door as the killer tried to force his way in

    an easy shot-something I could teach just about anyone on this board to make in less than 20 minutes of instruction.
    No, you don't know. You weren't there; you didn't do a detailed study including interviews of witnesses and ballistics. You're making up crap to justify your opinion just like others on this thread.
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    Re: Virginia Tech Shooting: Lockdown After Two Killed, Including a Police Officer

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well we do know something: an active shooter in an environment full of unarmed victims will almost always result in MORE deaths than an active shooter in an environment full of armed potential victims.
    That's true.

    But that's not the situation we had here.

    I am not anti-gun. I agree that "gun-free zones" are pretty counterproductive and impossible to enforce. But I'm sick of the pat answers we hear whenever there's a shooting, "If only he had a gun." It's not that simple, and this was proof.
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    Re: Virginia Tech Shooting: Lockdown After Two Killed, Including a Police Officer

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You have no idea what the cop was thinking. Cops are trained to be wary of everyone. Stop making up stuff.
    I have to agree with Mrman on this one. It would be silly to assume what the officer was thinking.
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    Re: Virginia Tech Shooting: Lockdown After Two Killed, Including a Police Officer

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I don't know. That campus cops at my school were.
    Umass cops are not, neither are northeastern, or BU or BC, harvard cops are though.
    Many are not, be interesting to know though!!

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    Re: Virginia Tech Shooting: Lockdown After Two Killed, Including a Police Officer

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I'd rather not, but the fact that you can't accept that a gun can make a situation worse tells me that your take on guns is more fanatical than logical.
    Most often the situation would get a whole lot worse for the bad guy if the victim or potential victim had a gun.

    More liberal hyperbole...
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    Generalizations are stupid.
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    The Second Amendment has nothing to do with guns.

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    Re: Virginia Tech Shooting: Lockdown After Two Killed, Including a Police Officer

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    The situation would get a whole lot worse for the bad guy if the victim had a gun.
    The victim did have a gun and the bad guy was just fine.

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    Re: Virginia Tech Shooting: Lockdown After Two Killed, Including a Police Officer

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    The victim did have a gun and the bad guy was just fine.
    I thought he is dead?
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    Generalizations are stupid.
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    Re: Virginia Tech Shooting: Lockdown After Two Killed, Including a Police Officer

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    No, you don't know. You weren't there; you didn't do a detailed study including interviews of witnesses and ballistics. You're making up crap to justify your opinion just like others on this thread.
    YOu have no clue what I know about this shooting. and I did read detailed studies on the situation and I have been part of high level classes teaching police how to deal with active shooter scenarios. So you are the one making up crap.

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    Re: Virginia Tech Shooting: Lockdown After Two Killed, Including a Police Officer

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    I thought he is dead?
    Yeah, after he shot himself.

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