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    Re: Virginia Tech Shooting: Lockdown After Two Killed, Including a Police Officer

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Then that had nothing to do with the post of mine you were responding to.
    interesting avoidance


    I think the point has been made

    don't get in a situation where you need a gun but don't have one

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    Re: Virginia Tech Shooting: Lockdown After Two Killed, Including a Police Officer

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Even though I'm compelled to disagree, I'll just agree that you're right about this specific "active shooter" scenario, however vague that phrase is. This has little to do with my comment and the other comments in this thread that call out the perpetual argument, "If he had a gun, less people would have died." It's a ridiculous argument because it's an absolute that does not take into account the uniqueness of a situation. THAT is the argument I'm talking about and it remains stupid as evidenced by the fact that an armed cop was shot and killed today and many more are everyday.


    You mean like the police officer in this case who was properly trained and well skilled? I'm sure you would love to believe that those of us who understand that a gun can make a situation worse are merely projecting our own fears onto others, but that's just not the case. Just like you have to imagine that anyone who wants higher taxes is jealous of you, you have to imagine that anyone who disagrees with you on this issue is merely projecting something onto the situation.
    Are VT campus cops armed?

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    Re: Virginia Tech Shooting: Lockdown After Two Killed, Including a Police Officer

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    interesting avoidance

    I think the point has been made

    don't get in a situation where you need a gun but don't have one
    Not an avoidance. It's the truth. My point was clear and after restating my point, you responded, "but I wasn't talking about that, I was talking about this". If you weren't talking about my point, then it had nothing to do with my post and this conversation was, as usual, as waste of time.

    I'll restate it again: don't assume that having a gun will always make a situation better. The end.

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    Re: Virginia Tech Shooting: Lockdown After Two Killed, Including a Police Officer

    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    Are VT campus cops armed?
    I don't know. That campus cops at my school were.

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    Re: Virginia Tech Shooting: Lockdown After Two Killed, Including a Police Officer

    Virginia Tech names police officer killed


    BLACKSBURG, VA --
    "Virginia Tech has named the campus police officer who was shot and killed.

    He was 39-year-old Deriek Crouse, of Christiansburg. WSLS had learned who the officer was, but held off from reporting his name until Virginia Tech formally released it.

    Crouse joined the Virginia Tech Police Department in October of 2007, and is survived by his wife, five children and step-children.

    Officer Crouse was also a member of the Virginia Tech Police emergency response team, since February of this year. Crouse also won an award in 2008 for his work fighting DUI on campus.

    Before joining the Virginia Tech Police Dept., Crouse worked at the New River Valley Jail, Montgomery County Sheriff's Office, and is an Army veteran."

    Virginia Tech names police officer killed | WSLS 10
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    Re: Virginia Tech Shooting: Lockdown After Two Killed, Including a Police Officer

    "9:08 p.m.Governor's news conference: Police dashcam video shows man found dead in "Cage" parking lot is suspected shooter of Virginia Tech police officer.
    Governor's news conference also said police officer was in car when he was shot, and that the people pulled over for the traffic stop are not related to the suspected shooter."




    "5:33 p.m.

    Authorities stopped just short of identifying a man found dead in a parking lot on the Virginia Tech campus as the gunman who killed a police officer there earlier today.

    Shortly after noon, an unidentified Virginia Tech police officer was shot and killed during a routine traffic stop in the Coliseum parking lot near McComas Hall, Deputy Chief of Police Gene Deisinger said at a press conference this afternoon.

    At a late-afternoon press conference Deisinger reported witnesses saw the gunman flee along Washington Street toward a commuter parking lot known as the “cage,” near Duck Pond Drive.

    Deisinger said a police officer — not a campus police officer — near the lot spotted a suspicious person around 1 p.m.

    “By the time they turned around and located that person, that person was deceased,” he said.

    Authorities reported a weapon was found there, but did not identify the type of weapon. Virginia State Police Sgt. Robert Carpentieri identified the deceased person only as a white male. State Police have taken the lead in the investigation at the university's request.

    “I think the investigators feel confident we have located the person,” Carpentieri said when asked if the dead man was the shooter, but refused to provide absolute confirmation.

    “There is no longer an active threat,” Deisinger said.

    Carpentieri said the man who shot the police officer was apparently uninvolved in the traffic stop and had walked up to the officer's patrol vehicle.

    "
    Shootings at Virginia Tech leave two dead | WSLS 10
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    Re: Virginia Tech Shooting: Lockdown After Two Killed, Including a Police Officer

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Honestly, you demonstrate you really have almost no knowledge of gun fighting. 90% or more of all gun fights in the USA take place at ranges under 7 yards. what do you think the hit ratio is?

    Here was a gunfight near where I live with State troopers who tend to be elite

    It goes to show that practicing on a target, and firing under extreme stress are two completely different animals...
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    Re: Virginia Tech Shooting: Lockdown After Two Killed, Including a Police Officer

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    And the other guy being unarmed is even better.

    But I'm not anti-gun. I'm just disgusted with Virginia's lack of reasonable limits, not to mention its neglect of mental health care (relevant to the last Tech shooting).

    And, of course, I'm mocking the standard rightwing response to shootings.
    Because someones death is always a great way to advance your political view.
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    Re: Virginia Tech Shooting: Lockdown After Two Killed, Including a Police Officer

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Because someones death is always a great way to advance your political view.
    Almost any conversation about gun politics uses someone's death as an example. In fact, situations like these are what spark debates about gun safety, so whatever point you're trying to make isn't there.

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    Re: Virginia Tech Shooting: Lockdown After Two Killed, Including a Police Officer

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Almost any conversation about gun politics uses someone's death as an example. In fact, situations like these are what spark debates about gun safety, so whatever point you're trying to make isn't there.
    Sparking a gun debate and using it as an example is one thing, this was nothing but politically dancing on a grave.

    And the other guy being unarmed is even better.

    But I'm not anti-gun. I'm just disgusted with Virginia's lack of reasonable limits, not to mention its neglect of mental health care (relevant to the last Tech shooting).

    And, of course, I'm mocking the standard rightwing response to shootings.


    He was being sarcastic and using the deaths for furthering political ends, not as an example or any such nonsense.

    So stop being a political hack and move on.
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