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    Re: Virginia Tech Shooting: Lockdown After Two Killed, Including a Police Officer

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Well said. I'm starting to get tired of people saying, "Well we know for sure that if X had a gun, less people would have died." No, you don't know. Every situation is different. Plenty of people with guns who know how to use them have died in altercations. Why can't people just be reasonable and say, "A gun may have hurt the situation, helped it or made no difference at all"? No one knows.
    well we do know something: an active shooter in an environment full of unarmed victims will almost always result in MORE deaths than an active shooter in an environment full of armed potential victims.

    that is beyond debate

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    Re: Virginia Tech Shooting: Lockdown After Two Killed, Including a Police Officer

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    I don't think anyone needs 20 minutes of instruction to complete that shot....
    I was being generous. some people are real klutzes.

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    Re: Virginia Tech Shooting: Lockdown After Two Killed, Including a Police Officer

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Really? Did you talk to him?
    No need to. Common sense kinda stuff.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Virginia Tech Shooting: Lockdown After Two Killed, Including a Police Officer

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No need to. Common sense kinda stuff.
    So you're full of **** as usual. Good to know.

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    Re: Virginia Tech Shooting: Lockdown After Two Killed, Including a Police Officer

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    So you're full of **** as usual. Good to know.
    Actually you are wrong and he is correct.

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    Re: Virginia Tech Shooting: Lockdown After Two Killed, Including a Police Officer

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well we do know something: an active shooter in an environment full of unarmed victims will almost always result in MORE deaths than an active shooter in an environment full of armed potential victims.

    that is beyond debate
    That statement is entirely too vague to be treated as an absolute. In this situation, the gunman could be called an active shooter and he was in an environment filled with unarmed people and one person died - the one who had a gun. There are plenty of other situations where an "active" shooter might be targeting a few people, but then when someone else tries to shoot at him, he kills more people than he intended to.

    Again, saying, "I know that a gun would have made it better" as an end all be all response to any situation where a gun is used by a criminal is nonsensical. That as misterman's point and that's my point.

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    Re: Virginia Tech Shooting: Lockdown After Two Killed, Including a Police Officer

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Actually you are wrong and he is correct.
    Actually nothing you say is of any value to me.

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    Re: Virginia Tech Shooting: Lockdown After Two Killed, Including a Police Officer

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    That statement is entirely too vague to be treated as an absolute. In this situation, the gunman could be called an active shooter and he was in an environment filled with unarmed people and one person died - the one who had a gun. There are plenty of other situations where an "active" shooter might be targeting a few people, but then when someone else tries to shoot at him, he kills more people than he intended to.

    Again, saying, "I know that a gun would have made it better" as an end all be all response to any situation where a gun is used by a criminal is nonsensical. That as misterman's point and that's my point.
    You really have no clue about what you speak of. You ought to spend some time listening to John Benner who is the leading expert on active shooters in this country.

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    Re: Virginia Tech Shooting: Lockdown After Two Killed, Including a Police Officer

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Actually nothing you say is of any value to me.
    I wouldn't think so.

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    Re: Virginia Tech Shooting: Lockdown After Two Killed, Including a Police Officer

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You really have no clue about what you speak of. You ought to spend some time listening to John Benner who is the leading expert on active shooters in this country.
    I'd rather not, but the fact that you can't accept that a gun can make a situation worse tells me that your take on guns is more fanatical than logical.

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