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Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

I have no problem with contraceptives used BEFORE the sexual act is carried out. I have MAJOR problems with them being used AFTER the act. I explained this earlier.
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Yes, you've said that, but you have not in any way explained why you feel this way. So let me take a stab at it: Either you don't understand that plan B and regular birth control pills work in EXACTLY the same way, and neither affect an existing pregnancy, or you just have a big problem with women taking charge of their lives and not being forever punished for having sex like you want them to be. I would bet a lot of money it's the latter. Too bad, so sad, it's not the 50's anymore and society has evolved past this way of thinking. See ya:2wave:
 
tessaesque said:
Perhaps because the vast majority of fertilized eggs never implant, and thus never become fetuses or live babies. Without implantation you cannot have ongoing development and life.
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I hardly see how that matters to my point.
 
lovetosing4678 said:
Its a $50 pill. I don't think its quite like buying Tylenol.
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Money's not an issue for everyone, though.

I agree with the tightness of it's availability: it is serious medication and should not be taken lightly or without being ok'd by a dr first. If such medication is available without a prescription then it would make sense to have all birth control pills availabel this way though *none* of them are and I've yet to see anyone argue that they should be.

Imagine how much easier it would be for women to keep up with their birth control pills if they just had to swing into teh store and buy the next month's supply with their maxi-pads and femme wipes. :shrug:
 
Henrin said:
I hardly see how that matters to my point.
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Well if you don't want to address the physical science and the common sense of the issue I guess you wouldn't...
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Money's not an issue for everyone, though.

I agree with the tightness of it's availability: it is serious medication and should not be taken lightly or without being ok'd by a dr first. If such medication is available without a prescription then it would make sense to have all birth control pills availabel this way though *none* of them are and I've yet to see anyone argue that they should be.

Imagine how much easier it would be for women to keep up with their birth control pills if they just had to swing into teh store and buy the next month's supply with their maxi-pads and femme wipes. :shrug:
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Plan B does not require a prescription. It involves going to the pharmacy and asking for it like cold medicine.
 
tessaesque said:
Well if you don't want to address the physical science and the common sense of the issue I guess you wouldn't...
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I'm afraid I already did. Not sure why you think moving the goal post would be helpful, but meh..
 
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Dr_Patrick said:
I see what you are saying, but calling it pro-abortion is dishonest. It makes it sound like you advocate it. I advocate choice. That's it.
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It is a choice to keep the child as well right? Then you support that as well?

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
It is a choice to keep the child as well right? Then you support that as well?

j-mac
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Of course. I support the freedom of any woman to choose one or the other.
 
kerussll said:
Yes, you've said that, but you have not in any way explained why you feel this way. So let me take a stab at it: Either you don't understand that plan B and regular birth control pills work in EXACTLY the same way, and neither affect an existing pregnancy, or you just have a big problem with women taking charge of their lives and not being forever punished for having sex like you want them to be. I would bet a lot of money it's the latter. Too bad, so sad, it's not the 50's anymore and society has evolved past this way of thinking. See ya
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I have explained it several times already. At the moment that egg is fertilized it IS a life in my mind. Since one of the ways this drug apparently works is to keep the fertilized egg (a life) from naturally bonding to the uterus, that's a problem in my mind. Yes, that can happen naturally as well, but then let's let nature take its course and see what happens, shall we?

As for the punishment aspect... yes there is some of that in there. I do think you miss that I would force the father to marry her and support her and the child as well, so it's not just her that would be punished. I'm all for anything that promotes the reduction in casual sex (protected or not).
 
Tigger said:
I have explained it several times already. At the moment that egg is fertilized it IS a life in my mind. Since one of the ways this drug apparently works is to keep the fertilized egg (a life) from naturally bonding to the uterus, that's a problem in my mind. Yes, that can happen naturally as well, but then let's let nature take its course and see what happens, shall we?

As for the punishment aspect... yes there is some of that in there. I do think you miss that I would force the father to marry her and support her and the child as well, so it's not just her that would be punished. I'm all for anything that promotes the reduction in casual sex (protected or not).
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1) Do you not realize that is also true for regular birth control pills that you inexplicably have no problem with? I'll say it one more time. Plan B and regular bc pills are EXACTLY the SAME THING!!! Same hormones, working in the same way. Why you have a problem with only one makes no sense at all.

2) Oh, dear lord this just got even more ridiculous. I'd love to see how you plan to FORCE people to get married and why you believe that would be a positive environment for the child. New winner for stupidest thing I have read on here. People have free will. They are going to have sex with who they want, use whatever contraceptives they want, and marry whoever they want. There's not a damn thing you can do about it. And that's a good thing.
 
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lovetosing4678 said:
Obama: Morning-after pill decision 'common sense'


What do you think? Should this pill be allowed to be sold next to the condoms? They are about $50, according to the article, so people most likely wouldn't be buying them as they do condoms. Also, think of how often the pharmacy is often open. I know that sometimes when I have a cold by the time I can get to the store the pharmacy is closed. The sooner you take this pill the more effective it is. So what do you think?
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I believe there are several major retailers now days, including CVS and Walgreens (probably others where the place is actually open 24 hours too), that have their actual pharmacy open 24 hours a day.
 
The major reason I am for keeping this behind the counter (although I think there should be something available for young women to be able to access it, maybe having a doctor available for young girls to see to approve on the spot) is because there are some blood disorders that prevent some women from using many forms of birth control, including myself. Young women, especially teenage girls are not necessarily going to understand this. And even birth control requires a prescription. These things do have the potential for severe side effects that need to be explained.

I have no problem with Plan B. I consider it a good alternative for women who didn't use or couldn't use birth control or who believe their BC may have failed. Especially a good thing for rape victims (completely for this being offered to every rape victim that it could legitimately be of use to).
 
roguenuke said:
I believe there are several major retailers now days, including CVS and Walgreens (probably others where the place is actually open 24 hours too), that have their actual pharmacy open 24 hours a day.
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This is true. Most insurance companies require that pharmacy chains have certain pharmacies open 24 hours a day in case their patients have an emergency prescription need. There is almost always a 24 hour pharmacy open in someone's area. If not, they may be able to go to a hospital pharmacy.
 
kerussll said:
1) Do you not realize that is also true for regular birth control pills that you inexplicably have no problem with? I'll say it one more time. Plan B and regular bc pills are EXACTLY the SAME THING!!! Same hormones, working in the same way. Why you have a problem with only one makes no sense at all.
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It's a timing issue. If you cannot comprehend that, then obviously there is no point in us continuing this, or any discussion.

kerussll said:
2) Oh, dear lord this just got even more ridiculous. I'd love to see how you plan to FORCE people to get married and why you believe that would be a positive environment for the child. New winner for stupidest thing I have read on here. People have free will. They are going to have sex with who they want, use whatever contraceptives they want, and marry whoever they want. There's not a damn thing you can do about it. And that's a good thing.
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By law. That's how you force the people to be married. I'm not concerned with a positive environment for the child. I'm concerned with a negative environment for the two people who have chosen to act in a stupid and immoral manner. The fact that we can't do something about those things is one of my major problems with our society today.
 
Tigger said:
It's a timing issue. If you cannot comprehend that, then obviously there is no point in us continuing this, or any discussion.



By law. That's how you force the people to be married. I'm not concerned with a positive environment for the child. I'm concerned with a negative environment for the two people who have chosen to act in a stupid and immoral manner. The fact that we can't do something about those things is one of my major problems with our society today.
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Tigger, you know you have quite different than most peoples views nowadays right? It is hard for many of us to comprehend the difference in timing for you. You are right that there is no reason to try explain it because in your mind it just changes with the act in reference to morality. Thats all the explanation you have.
 
lovetosing4678 said:
Tigger, you know you have quite different than most peoples views nowadays right? It is hard for many of us to comprehend the difference in timing for you. You are right that there is no reason to try explain it because in your mind it just changes with the act in reference to morality. Thats all the explanation you have.
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That's also the only explanation necessary. We need to get back to a society where MORAL Crimes are considered the most heinous and the most thoroughly punished.
 
Tigger said:
That's also the only explanation necessary. We need to get back to a society where MORAL Crimes are considered the most heinous and the most thoroughly punished.
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The obvious problem with this is that not everyone has the same morals. There probably isn't even a super majority of people that have the same moral.
 
lovetosing4678 said:
The obvious problem with this is that not everyone has the same morals. There probably isn't even a super majority of people that have the same moral.
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In this day and age, you're absolutely right. That's part of the problem we have as a nation right now. Of course we could just go back to the general morals and values that Western Civilization had for centuries.
 
Tigger said:
I have explained it several times already. At the moment that egg is fertilized it IS a life in my mind. Since one of the ways this drug apparently works is to keep the fertilized egg (a life) from naturally bonding to the uterus, that's a problem in my mind. Yes, that can happen naturally as well, but then let's let nature take its course and see what happens, shall we?

As for the punishment aspect... yes there is some of that in there. I do think you miss that I would force the father to marry her and support her and the child as well, so it's not just her that would be punished. I'm all for anything that promotes the reduction in casual sex (protected or not).
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Gee - didn't see that coming :roll:

The most sexist and mysogynistic member of this forum holds this view - I MOST CERTAINLY will go out of my way to hold the opposite view seeing as how it's a matter of control and power over women in the end.
 
Tigger said:
That's also the only explanation necessary. We need to get back to a society where MORAL Crimes are considered the most heinous and the most thoroughly punished.
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yes. let's again burn the witches
 
justabubba said:
yes. let's again burn the witches
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Let's see....

Is he/she practicing a religious belief?..... Not a MORAL issue, so no problem
Is he/she engaging in homosexual relations?.... A definite MORAL issue, so major problem.
 
Tigger said:
Let's see....

Is he/she practicing a religious belief?..... Not a MORAL issue, so no problem
Is he/she engaging in homosexual relations?.... A definite MORAL issue, so major problem.
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There are Christians who think witchcraft is actually a moral issue. Who decides what constitutes a moral issue? You?

I don't think homosexuality is a moral issue in the slightest.
 
Tigger said:
As someone who does not believe in the idea of "on demand" abortion, I am 100% in favor of this ruling. Pregnancy is a potential consequence of sexual intercourse. If you don't want to run that risk, don't have sex. If you do have sex, you need to accept that there are potential consequences of that action. As such, I am totally against any form of "morning after" pill, whether it be prescription, over the counter, etc....
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Rightwing hypocrisy defined:

Business should be free to run their business as they want, unless they want to sell Plan B
Govt shouldn't tell businesse owners how to run their buisiness, unless they want to sell Plan B
Govt should keep out of our lives, unless we want to take Plan B
People should accept the consequences of their actions, unless their actions include taking Plan B. Then, the govt should limit our freedom
 
Tigger said:
That's also the only explanation necessary. We need to get back to a society where MORAL Crimes are considered the most heinous and the most thoroughly punished.
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Sure, let's start prosecuting the immoral people who want to withhold birth control from those who need it. We can also get you to pick up the tab for the unwanted kids. Great idea!
 
Tigger said:
True. It didn't work because the program wasn't followed by her daughter. I know what would have happened in my family in that case.... She would have been tossed out on her ass and told not to come back until they were married and raising the child, if at all.




True, but it is AFTER the act. Whether it's right after, 12 hours later, or six weeks later is immaterial. The act has already been performed. The consequences/reprecussions have been EARNED. You had the fun, now you should have to potentially deal with what happens because of it.



The pill and the condom are attempts to stop the egg from being fertilized. It is my understanding that this pill is designed to keep a fertilized egg from becoming attached to the uterus. I am a believer that at the moment that egg is fertilized that life begins. I understand that's not the most popular opinion in the world these days. In my mind anything that is an attempt to keep that fertilized egg from growing is MURDER. Whether it's by aborting it or by keeping it from moving through the natural cycle required for it to grow.
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so it wasn't followed by her daughter just like a lot of other daughter's out there so.... abstinance only dosen't work.
 
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