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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I don't think anyone is comfortable when their son or daughter is engaging in sexual relations. But it does happen, regardless. It's better to be prepared.
    I would suggest that it's better to attempt to stop the action by making the consequences more unpleasant than the act is pleasant.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Your argument would be valid if the only people to suffer the consequences were the ones engaging in the sexual act. However, if they are forced to have a child that is unwanted, then the child suffers in the long run. Trust me, I've known a few people in my life who definitely shouldn't have been parents. The children always end up suffering. Plan B is far more humane, in my opinion.
    Then we're going to have to disagree. Then again I have no problem visiting the punishment for the sins of the father on the child as well.


    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Okay, so do you consider this abortion or not?
    I would, though I am well aware that it does not meet the standard definition thereof.

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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I would suggest that it's better to attempt to stop the action by making the consequences more unpleasant than the act is pleasant.
    That doesn't always work. People are all about instant gratification. They worry about the consequences later on.


    Then we're going to have to disagree. Then again I have no problem visiting the punishment for the sins of the father on the child as well.
    Uh... what? What did the child do wrong? The child had nothing to do with the poor decisions of the parents. Why should the child have to suffer?

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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Plan B needs to stay behind the counter. It would be absurd to make it an OTC item. In some states the pharmacist can actually write the prescription for you so you can get it if you "need" it.
    thought you were studying pharmacy science
    doesn't 'first, do no harm' also apply to you?
    read this excerpt from the cite:
    ... For now, Plan B will stay behind pharmacy counters, available without a prescription only to those 17 and older who can prove their age. ...
    [emphasis added by bubba]
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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    thought you were studying pharmacy science
    doesn't 'first, do no harm' also apply to you?
    read this excerpt from the cite: [emphasis added by bubba]
    Yes, I am working towards my Doctor of Pharmacy.

    Plan B is regulated differently state by state. In Tennessee the patient must be over 18 (or have the consent of their legal guardian if they are a minor). The pharmacist can write a prescription for it (not the physician) and then dispense the medication. I know from firsthand experience that it requires someone prescribing it (at least in my state), but that someone can be the pharmacist at the counter. The article is clearly wrong if it claims plan B does not require a prescription in all states.
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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    wrong assumption. my daughter is 22. i want her to have ready access to this pill should she ever choose to use it

    Ok, and first, thank you for your candor....I re read my questions and thought that I may have been a little presumptuous with them and for that I don't want to offend, but you answered them, and got to what I was trying to ask.

    So, if your daughter is 22, then this decision from HHS doesn't apply to her availability to get them. HHS was concerned with young girls, under age getting them and not understanding what, or how their use is effective.

    don't know
    that is for her to determine
    my job, as her dad, is to make life easier for her if i am reasonably able to do so
    she advised me that she took the oath to be a virgin until marriage; of course, that was when she was very active in the church. she was quite young then. she and i have also had a discussion about the morality of abortion. again, only an exchange of views. she, as her brother, thinks for herself. it's expected in our family
    As is the case in mine as well. She sounds like a smart young lady with a solid head on her shoulders. You should be proud as I know you are.

    kids still laugh about my 14 year old son coming home to find a box of condoms i had placed on his bed
    don't know when he because sexually active, but wanted to make sure he had protection if he was (or intended to be)
    I think that reaction is universal...Mine had the same kind of reaction. Ofcourse, before this was undertaken by me, his mother and I both discussed it first.

    won't ask. just as i did not when i provided my son a box of condoms and in a subsequent discussion told him that i would get him more, without question, should he indicate a need. (it's intimidating for a young person to buy condoms in a pharmacy)
    this was between me and my kids. but my wife and i were both pleased when the doctor prescribed bc pills for my young, teen aged daughter ... presumedly for something other than birth control. she was not happy with my decision to give my son unsolicited condoms
    No doubt. My wife and I are BOTH the parents of our children, and as such she has a say in something like that.

    no. when she was a very young teen and told me she took the virgin oath, she seemed quite proud. my fear was that she took it with the other girls at the church because it would have been the way to avoid controversy. i explained to her that was her decision. that if she chose to decide to have sex before marriage all i expected was that she not feel pressured to do so and that she practice safe sex
    previously, in scouting, my son was unable to profess a belief in G-d, subsequent to earning the G-d and Me badge. after earning that badge his fellow scouts joined the sponsoring church. the scout master (an attorney) attempted to remove him from the scouts for his refusal to swear a belief in G-d. as a scout leader i was able to intervene and prevent that result. my younger daughter was aware of that incident and i wanted to make sure she was not taking the vow only to avoid what her brother had experienced, for holding to his own views
    The word is God. Not G-d....I find it interesting that you would allow your son to be a part of a organization that its foundation is Christianity and then instead of finding an organization that more closely follows your beliefs on the subject, you force them to alter theirs....Anyway, different topic I know.

    would welcome your assessment
    Your kids sound like they turned out fine. We have different approaches and beliefs, but in the end, it is not up to me to judge how you did. Was just curious.


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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The word is God. Not G-d....
    I can't speak for Bubba, but many groups use the term G-d out of reverence. Many Jews use this because they believe that in God's holiness it is wrong to type out the full word. It's not a disrespectful thing.
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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Yes, I am working towards my Doctor of Pharmacy.

    Plan B is regulated differently state by state. In Tennessee the patient must be over 18 (or have the consent of their legal guardian if they are a minor). The pharmacist can write a prescription for it (not the physician) and then dispense the medication. I know from firsthand experience that it requires someone prescribing it (at least in my state), but that someone can be the pharmacist at the counter. The article is clearly wrong if it claims plan B does not require a prescription in all states.
    my apologies; i stand corrected
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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I can't speak for Bubba, but many groups use the term G-d out of reverence. Many Jews use this because they believe that in God's holiness it is wrong to type out the full word. It's not a disrespectful thing.
    Ok, in order to take it in that vein on a message board I would think that some kind of sentence preceding the typing, such as, '...out of reverence, G-d' or something. But you are right, I don't know what is in bubba's heart on the subject, and can only ask if that is why he chose to leave out the "o"....I am sure that now he will say that is the reason after reading your response, and his acknowledgment of "Like" to that post.

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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I am for making those things OPTIONAL, and allowing people to suffer the consequence of their own choices rather than forcing them to do something. I have no problem with using contraceptives. I just don't see them as a "get out of jail free" card that allows you to then say "well, I didn't want to get pregnant so I should be allowed to terminate this pregnancy as a matter of choice."
    Great, so is everybody else on here. I don't see anybody forcing Plan B down any girl's throat. And this forum isn't about terminating a pregnancy. You have no problem with contraceptives??? Then stop whining about Plan B!!

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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I find it interesting that you would allow your son to be a part of a organization that its foundation is Christianity and then instead of finding an organization that more closely follows your beliefs on the subject, you force them to alter theirs.
    Scouting is actually not based on Christianity at all. The infusion of religion into it only came about in the 1970's, some sixty years after the organization's inception. Prior a massive infusion of money and influence from the Mormon church into scouting, no scout was required to be religious, and scout leaders were told that it would be inappropriate for them to attempt to instruct a scout in religious matters. Many troops are of different faiths, and for many, religion isn't an important part of their activities.
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