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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    As Tessa has so eloquently explained, this pill can have some pretty dramatic side-effects. This is reason enough for people who are not old enough to drive not to have unrestricted access to this medication. Parents need to know if their child is ingesting something that can cause the effects Tessa experienced.

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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    Quote Originally Posted by lovetosing4678 View Post
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    What do you think? Should this pill be allowed to be sold next to the condoms? They are about $50, according to the article, so people most likely wouldn't be buying them as they do condoms. Also, think of how often the pharmacy is often open. I know that sometimes when I have a cold by the time I can get to the store the pharmacy is closed. The sooner you take this pill the more effective it is. So what do you think?


    I think it should be prescription-only.

    I know it seems to defeat the 'immediate access' reasoning - but it's a serious medication that should not be used lightly and without approval and oversight form a DR. It can cause a variety of health issues and some people - because of serious health concerns - should not take it at all.

    What people should do is see a DR - get the pill - and keep it at home if they need it.

    It makes no sense to me to have birth control pills be prescription-only . . . yet a pregnancy-prevention pill such as this be over-the-counter.
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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Unwanted pregnancies have what benefit again? Seriously, there's absolutely no reason to inhibit women from obtaining these. Absolutely make any side effects known, as with any medication.
    The issue to me is that the side effects of Plan B can be a more significant than your run-of-the-mill OTC medication. It's not particularly dangerous, but it can certainly put you out of commission for a day or two if you're sensitive to hormones. It's basically like taking a fistful of birth control pills all at once.

    I think this ruling makes sense. I think it is logical to ensure the woman knows the possible and likely side-effects by ensuring she has direct contact with a pharmtech.

    Tessa's experience is extreme, but not especially uncommon. Hormones are tricky things. It's far more common than an adverse reaction to, say, aspirin or paracetamol.

    I can't think of anything with common side effects as potentially severe as Plan B's that's over the counter. This is not to say most women will have side effects that bad - most won't. But a pretty significant chunk will have side effects somewhere in the middle of the spectrum, which is still more than other OTC drugs, and which is certainly something we need to make sure they know.

    However, for this ruling to make sense, I think pharmtechs should be prohibited from denying it to women.

    I disagree it should be prescription. Plan B can be very uncomfortable, but not particularly dangerous. If a woman has health complications which would make it dangerous, this is the sort of thing she would have been told over and over again by her doctor already. The time-sensitive nature of the beast means that if you make it prescription, it would be impossible for women to get it during the time period when it's mostly likely to work.
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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    It is not OUR place to make the decision against what FATE has put in our laps. Especially after we have made a knowing choice to engage in a potentially risky activity.
    Really, what kind of flimsy world view is this? I suppose you're against seat belt use, vaccinations, insurance, any sort of medical intervention and the millions of other things we do to protect us against what FATE has in store for us? You won't get too far in life thinking this way. Or more likely your view is just that sexually active women don't get to do anything to put the odds in their favor. How....perfectly rational and unbiased of you.

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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So is a condom, by that ****ing definition.
    Yes it is. The difference is that the condom/oral contraceptive is used before/during the act; whereas abortion and this pill are used AFTER the act.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You are correct that it's not fool-proof. Why is that important?
    It's important because it's a constant reminder that we are not in total control of what happens in these situations. There is a higher power controlling the outcome no matter how hard we try to avoid it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes it is our place. Free will has that express purpose.
    Some of us don't believe that free will is as important as Fate. We can attempt to temper Fate's edicts, but we cannot avoid them entirely.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Your moral judgment appears to be based in things that are factually inaccurate.
    Your viewpoint seems to be based on a total ignoring of morality.


    Quote Originally Posted by kerussll View Post
    Really, what kind of flimsy world view is this? I suppose you're against seat belt use, vaccinations, insurance, any sort of medical intervention and the millions of other things we do to protect us against what FATE has in store for us? You won't get too far in life thinking this way. Or more likely your view is just that sexually active women don't get to do anything to put the odds in their favor. How....perfectly rational and unbiased of you.
    I am for making those things OPTIONAL, and allowing people to suffer the consequence of their own choices rather than forcing them to do something. I have no problem with using contraceptives. I just don't see them as a "get out of jail free" card that allows you to then say "well, I didn't want to get pregnant so I should be allowed to terminate this pregnancy as a matter of choice."

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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger
    I just don't see them as a "get out of jail free" card that allows you to then say "well, I didn't want to get pregnant so I should be allowed to terminate this pregnancy as a matter of choice."
    Uhhhhh, contraception has absolutely nothing to do with the abortion debate.
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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    The issue to me is that the side effects of Plan B can be a more significant than your run-of-the-mill OTC medication. It's not particularly dangerous, but it can certainly put you out of commission for a day or two if you're sensitive to hormones. It's basically like taking a fistful of birth control pills all at once.

    I think this ruling makes sense. I think it is logical to ensure the woman knows the possible and likely side-effects by ensuring she has direct contact with a pharmtech.

    Tessa's experience is extreme, but not especially uncommon. Hormones are tricky things. It's far more common than an adverse reaction to, say, aspirin or paracetamol.

    I can't think of anything with common side effects as potentially severe as Plan B's that's over the counter. This is not to say most women will have side effects that bad - most won't. But a pretty significant chunk will have side effects somewhere in the middle of the spectrum, which is still more than other OTC drugs, and which is certainly something we need to make sure they know.

    However, for this ruling to make sense, I think pharmtechs should be prohibited from denying it to women.

    I disagree it should be prescription. Plan B can be very uncomfortable, but not particularly dangerous. If a woman has health complications which would make it dangerous, this is the sort of thing she would have been told over and over again by her doctor already. The time-sensitive nature of the beast means that if you make it prescription, it would be impossible for women to get it during the time period when it's mostly likely to work.
    You make a great point about horomones. As a teen I was told repeatedly that my horomones were pretty far out of wack and I'd had various reactions to different birth control pills that had made them less than desireable for me. At 18, I didn't make the direct correllation between the moderately uncomfortable side effects of birth control and the fact that Plan B is like the Hulk of birth control pills. Considering the stress of the situation I can see why many girls with similar issues might not make the connection.
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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Uhhhhh, contraception has absolutely nothing to do with the abortion debate.
    It has everything to do with the abortion debate. There is ONE, 100% proven way to keep from getting pregnant.... ABSTINANCE. Anything beyond that is simply an attempt to limit the potential consequences of sexual intercourse. Some of those limiting factors... condoms, contraceptives, etc... are appropriate as they attempt to limit the chance of the pregnancy from occuring ahead of time. Others, like abortion on demand and (to a lesser degree) this "Morning After Pill" are attempts to undo limit the consequences after the fact. THAT is the problem so far as I'm concerned. Taking steps ahead of time is one thing.... attempting to avoid the consequences afterwards is another.

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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger
    Taking steps ahead of time is one thing.... attempting to avoid the consequences afterwards is another.
    Why is that?
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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    It has everything to do with the abortion debate. There is ONE, 100% proven way to keep from getting pregnant.... ABSTINANCE. Anything beyond that is simply an attempt to limit the potential consequences of sexual intercourse. Some of those limiting factors... condoms, contraceptives, etc... are appropriate as they attempt to limit the chance of the pregnancy from occuring ahead of time. Others, like abortion on demand and (to a lesser degree) this "Morning After Pill" are attempts to undo limit the consequences after the fact. THAT is the problem so far as I'm concerned. Taking steps ahead of time is one thing.... attempting to avoid the consequences afterwards is another.
    abstinance only didn't work for the QUEEN of abstinance only a.k.a. sarah palin's family.

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