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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    I wonder if these are available over online pharmacies like United Pharmacies? If so, then they can easily be purchased over the internet without a prescription.
    That's actually how I got mine...sort of...I ordered it online through a company that sent a prescription to my local pharmacy.
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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    From what I've read (and in no way is it exhaustive), it seems the majority of the concern is about the moral and social implications of providing young girls with a way to prevent unwanted pregnancy. Seems the FDA has deemed it relatively safe as a means of preventing pregnancy in the first place. Again, from the little bit I've read, this seems more like a moral judgement call than a rational, evidence based assessment.

    On related note, seems that the teen birth rate dropped to a new low in 2009.

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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I don't know the details on this -- how difficult/dangerous it really is -- but it sure sounds a little political, as in not wanting to PO anti-abortion types.
    The following are considered the normal side effects of the pill, which are really no different than many OTC meds:

    Side Effects of Plan B or Plan B One-Step
    Many women have taken emergency contraception without serious complications. But it's a good idea to ask your doctor about possible interactions with other medications.

    Plan B or Plan B One-Step is considered safe for most women. You should not take it if you are pregnant; at this time, there is limited data on the safety of taking Plan B or Plan B One-Step while pregnant.

    Potential side effects of Plan B or Plan B One-Step include:

    nausea
    abdominal pain
    fatigue
    headache
    menstrual changes
    dizziness
    breast tenderness
    vomiting
    diarrhea
    Plan B or Plan B One-Step causes less nausea and vomiting than ECPs that contain both estrogen and progestin. And, you may be able to reduce any nausea or vomiting by taking the pill on a full stomach. Eating small, frequent meals over 24 hours may also help.

    With Plan B or Plan B One-Step, you may also have some unexpected bleeding. It should go away by the time of your next period. However, it is possible that Plan B or Plan B One-Step may cause your next period to be heavier or lighter than usual. It may also come earlier or later than is normal for you. If you don't get your period within three weeks, get a pregnancy test to make sure you're not pregnant.
    Now...what happened to me, on the other hand, was something much more severe...

    First, I became flu-like. That hit gradually over the course of about 9 hours from taking the first pill. I ate before and after taking the pill, as instructed, but it did little to help me fight nausea. By the 10th hour I was almost projectile vomitting and dry heaving pretty much constantly when my stomach had been completely emptied. That went on pretty consistently for 5 days. I was barely able to remain hydrated, and ever mind trying to get any real nutrition. On top of the nausea I began to have what was probably the most insanely heavy "period" I've ever experienced about two days in to taking the meds. I actually bought Depends to handle the situation. And the cramps....dear god, the cramps. In addition to the muscle fatique from the vomitting I also had cramps that made me feel like my uterus was in a vice grip. They doubled me over in pain at some points.

    For reference...I took the pill about 7 hours after the "oops" moment, and during a time when I would have been outside the normal range for optimum fertility within my monthly cycle. Statistically, the odds that the reaction was from the accidental termination of an existing pregnancy were pretty much non-existent, and the pregnancy test had reported negative prior to taking the medication.

    Again, as I said before, I'm sure most girls wouldn't experience what I did...but can you imagine going through that kind of reaction alone? Or having to tell your parents about the situation because you're so sick you're afraid you need immediate care?
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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    To me, birth control is a better alternative to abortion.
    Is this really abortion? It seems like it's getting earlier and earlier when we define the beginning of "life". At the pace we're heading to a point where a whole bunch of adolescent young men will be in prison using an old sock as evidence.
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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    At the pace we're heading to a point where a whole bunch of adolescent young men will be in prison using an old sock as evidence.
    Lol! Funny one...

    The crime? 'Baitin' in the 2nd degree.

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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Lol! Funny one...

    The crime? 'Baitin' in the 2nd degree.
    That presents an interesting question. How would you classify the severity of the masturbation? Would we instead of to define the crime as "ejaculation in the nth degree"? Would first degree ejaculation include the intentional use of spermicidal agents during the commission of the crime? Would a third degree ejaculation refer to a wet-dream/uncontrolled emission situation? Or would that be considered "involuntary ejaculation"?
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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    That presents an interesting question. How would you classify the severity of the masturbation? Would we instead of to define the crime as "ejaculation in the nth degree"? Would first degree ejaculation include the intentional use of spermicidal agents during the commission of the crime? Would a third degree ejaculation refer to a wet-dream/uncontrolled emission situation? Or would that be considered "involuntary ejaculation"?
    Well, obviously, 1st degree includes at least two consecutive ejaculations and/or rawness of the genitals, and wanton disregard for one's genital sensitivity.

    2nd degree 'baitin' (or "simple tuggin'") is 'baitin' until orgasm and/or ejaculate of 5 or more ml.

    3rd degree 'baitin' is an extended jackin' without orgasm/ejaculation.

    While 4th degree 'baitin' is a simple pleasurable pressure or touch applied to aroused genitals without intent to 'bait.

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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Well, obviously, 1st degree includes at least two consecutive ejaculations and/or rawness of the genitals, and wanton disregard for one's genital sensitivity.

    2nd degree 'baitin' (or "simple tuggin'") is 'baitin' until orgasm and/or ejaculate of 5 or more ml.

    3rd degree 'baitin' is an extended jackin' without orgasm/ejaculation.

    While 4th degree 'baitin' is a simple pleasurable pressure or touch applied to aroused genitals without intent to 'bait.
    So if adjusting/scratching leads to pleasure or arousal then you're breaking the law. How stressful.
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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Plan B doesn't cause abortions when used as instructed. It prevents pregnancy from beginning at all.
    Either way, it's an attempt to avoid the consequences of a consentual act.


    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    This non-argument is refuted by the fact that the potential consequences of that action are eliminated through contraception.
    No, they are LIMITED through contraception. They are not ELIMINATED. I can cite a large number of women I've known who have gotten pregnant while using condoms, oral contraceptives, and one a decade after she had her tubes tied.


    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Unwanted pregnancies have what benefit again? Seriously, there's absolutely no reason to inhibit women from obtaining these. Absolutely make any side effects known, as with any medication.
    It is not OUR place to make the decision against what FATE has put in our laps. Especially after we have made a knowing choice to engage in a potentially risky activity.


    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    From what I've read (and in no way is it exhaustive), it seems the majority of the concern is about the moral and social implications of providing young girls with a way to prevent unwanted pregnancy. Seems the FDA has deemed it relatively safe as a means of preventing pregnancy in the first place. Again, from the little bit I've read, this seems more like a moral judgement call than a rational, evidence based assessment.
    At least for me it is entirely a moral judgement and I won't make any bones about it.

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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Either way, it's an attempt to avoid the consequences of a consentual act.
    So is a condom, by that ****ing definition.




    No, they are LIMITED through contraception. They are not ELIMINATED. I can cite a large number of women I've known who have gotten pregnant while using condoms, oral contraceptives, and one a decade after she had her tubes tied.
    Well, no you can't cite a "large number" of women. You are correct that it's not fool-proof. Why is that important?




    It is not OUR place to make the decision against what FATE has put in our laps. Especially after we have made a knowing choice to engage in a potentially risky activity.
    Yes it is our place. Free will has that express purpose.

    At least for me it is entirely a moral judgement and I won't make any bones about it.
    Your moral judgment appears to be based in things that are factually inaccurate.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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