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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Erm... No, they wouldn't. Artificial hormones are not necessarily as safe of Tylenol, dose for dose. You are aware of what Depo can do to you, just at the regular dose, right? They're pretty darn safe, but being under a doctor's care for the first 2 or 3 months on the pill is really a very good idea.

    I think it should stay exactly how it is. And no one is more pro-reproductive rights than me.

    I know plenty of women, myself included, who've had extreme reactions to hormonal birth control. Reactions to Plan B usually aren't as bad, because it's not a sustained dose. But seriously, artificial hormones are no joke, and a lot of people have a false impression of their potential side effects.
    What kind of reaction did you have? Birth control pills and especially plan B can make women feel like they have the stomach flu. It's a reaction to the high doses of hormones and works in the same way as pregnant women with morning sickness. I've known a handful of women who can't take them because they just make them feel too sick. There are a higher risk of blood clots, yes, but they are rare. I've never heard of anyone being "under a doctor's care" while starting on birth control pills. They give you the prescription at your appointment and that's it. They don't check up on you, there are no blood level tests. You get the pill and that's it. Exactly as it would be if it were over the counter. There's nothing a doctor tells you about them that your pharmacist at the drug store or a label on the package couldn't.

    Tylenol is one of the most benign drugs you can take and absolutely belongs over the counter, but you can destroy your liver if you overdose. Many more people will die from Tylenol than they ever could from birth control pills. Make it over the counter with appropriate warnings on the label about possible side effects.
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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I highly doubt the medical community all feel that birth control or Plan B should be available OTC. The medical community understands better than anyone that there are cases where women could have serious issues, even fatal ones, from taking birth control or Plan B because of certain medical conditions that they have but may not know will cause complications with them taking these things.

    As I've said on here before, I cannot take most birth control because of a blood condition I have because it greatly increases my chances of getting blood clots from birth control. I haven't needed Plan B, and really shouldn't need it, so I have no idea if I could take it or not. If I do think I ever need it, it would be nice to have someone available to answer that question for me. But young women might not even think to ask such a question, even if they know they have one of those blood conditions or some other condition that could cause issues. It wouldn't be them lying about it, but if they weren't given good information about it, they certainly may not even think to mention it. But the pharmacist should probably be asking about medical conditions women have and explaining any increased risks that may come from using something with those medical conditions.

    For all those who did not know, using most birth control increases your risk of blood clots. It is an insignificant increase for most women. Before I knew anything about the blood condition I have, I took birth control with no complications. But, if you have certain medical conditions, it could be a significant increase. Military doctors will not prescribe most birth control types for me now that they know I have this issue.
    Plan B has been approved by the FDA for over the counter sales. So yes, the medical community agrees that it is safe. To put an age limit on the over the counter sales is rooted solely by people's moral judgment about this drug, not based on any scientific evidence. They are afraid having this drug available to them will make teenage girls suddenly throw caution to the wind and turn into the town slut. Which of course is ridiculous and the same argument for not teaching sex ed in schools. Teenagers are already having sex. And it is actually safer for a teenager to take these drugs than an older woman.
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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    Quote Originally Posted by kerussll View Post
    Plan B has been approved by the FDA for over the counter sales. So yes, the medical community agrees that it is safe. To put an age limit on the over the counter sales is rooted solely by people's moral judgment about this drug. They are afraid having this drug available to them will make teenage girls suddenly throw caution to the wind and turn into the town slut. Which of course is ridiculous. Teenagers are already having sex. And it is actually safer for a teenager to take these drugs than an older woman.
    That there are millions including the president that believe they should be involved in their childrens well being is based only upon your obviously biased ideas?

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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    What is safe for the BODY may be terminal to the SOUL. That's the point I was trying to get at.
    And we should legislate what people can do to their souls of course Perfectly logical.

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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    That there are millions including the president that believe they should be involved in their childrens well being is based only upon your obviously biased ideas?
    By well being, do you mean the withholding of contraceptives? It's not about a safety issue for those parents. They don't want their kids to have sex.

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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    Quote Originally Posted by kerussll View Post
    By well being, do you mean the withholding of contraceptives? It's not about a safety issue for those parents. They don't want their kids to have sex.
    Is it your belief that the president is likely to keep his daughters locked up until they are 24 or something?
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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Sorry, what was the point I made?
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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    Quote Originally Posted by kerussll View Post
    What kind of reaction did you have? Birth control pills and especially plan B can make women feel like they have the stomach flu. It's a reaction to the high doses of hormones and works in the same way as pregnant women with morning sickness. I've known a handful of women who can't take them because they just make them feel too sick. There are a higher risk of blood clots, yes, but they are rare. I've never heard of anyone being "under a doctor's care" while starting on birth control pills. They give you the prescription at your appointment and that's it. They don't check up on you, there are no blood level tests. You get the pill and that's it. Exactly as it would be if it were over the counter. There's nothing a doctor tells you about them that your pharmacist at the drug store or a label on the package couldn't.

    Tylenol is one of the most benign drugs you can take and absolutely belongs over the counter, but you can destroy your liver if you overdose. Many more people will die from Tylenol than they ever could from birth control pills. Make it over the counter with appropriate warnings on the label about possible side effects.
    When you start a new birth control, you normally come back to the doctor in 3 months to see how you are doing in order to get a long prescription. Even now I only get a year long prescription on my birth control so the gynecologist can make sure I am still doing alright on my medicine each year as well as check for other things wrong. That is being "under a doctor's care"

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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Is it your belief that the president is likely to keep his daughters locked up until they are 24 or something?
    Uhh no? .

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    Re: Plan B will continue to be offered ONLY behind the counter

    Quote Originally Posted by lovetosing4678 View Post
    When you start a new birth control, you normally come back to the doctor in 3 months to see how you are doing in order to get a long prescription. Even now I only get a year long prescription on my birth control so the gynecologist can make sure I am still doing alright on my medicine each year as well as check for other things wrong. That is being "under a doctor's care"

    Seriously??? I have never heard of having to go back to the doctor after only 3 months for birth control. That must be a real pain for you. I've switched pills more times than I can count, and it would have been a huge waste of time and money to go see the doctor in person every time. What exactly did the doctor do to check you over anyway? Most doctors only prescribe prescriptions for a year, birth control or not, but that's pretty standard for liability reasons.
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