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    Re: Texas Welfare Office Shooting: Mom Denied Food Stamps For Months, Shoots Own Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Gotta make the State the Bad Guy, and the woman a victim... just can't let it go can you?
    Who cares who is to blame. How would you have resolved this issue before it got this far? That is the problem with people today. Everyone wants to assert blame but nobody wants to offer solutions.
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    Re: Texas Welfare Office Shooting: Mom Denied Food Stamps For Months, Shoots Own Kids

    Screw the politics. There are two people dead and one tragically injured and scarred for life. This is a sad day, no matter the reason and I am sickened. I pray for that little boy and girl and may God make his own judgement on the mother. I am going to go kiss and hug my sleeping son now.
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    Re: Texas Welfare Office Shooting: Mom Denied Food Stamps For Months, Shoots Own Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    What in the **** are you smoking?
    Nothing, you? Do you deny that this is an honour killing?
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    Re: Texas Welfare Office Shooting: Mom Denied Food Stamps For Months, Shoots Own Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Gotta make the State the Bad Guy, and the woman a victim... just can't let it go can you?
    Well, it does seem as if the woman is, indeed, a victim. It seems that she's a victim of her own mental illness. Which, being mentally ill, she may have little control over.

    And she's not the only victim either. So is her two children she shot, one of whom died. And so is the father of those children. And so is the rest of the family of that women and her children.

    Now I'm not blaming the state for that woman being mentally ill. But, nevertheless, this is an issue. And it's an issue that can happen again. And it's an issue that's happened before.

    And that issue is that we, in the United States, have a number of people who are mentally ill who, because of their mental illness, may be dangers to themselves or to others.

    And the question that I think we should ask ourselves is, "What can we do to prevent the mentally ill from harming themselves or others?"

    Because mentally ill people aren't just going to go away. Some will always be born mentally ill because of their particular biology. Which they have no control over. And some will always be made because of a confluence of events that cause them to become mentally ill. Which they have little to no control over.

    So since I realize that this will always be an issue I can't help but ask what can be done to help mitigate this issue.

    Now if you just want to say this is a bat**** nuts crazy lady who killed her children, well, I agree. But just saying that does nothing to help prevent bat**** nuts crazy ladies from killing their children in the future. And if you're okay with that well then so be it.

    But I'm not and so I'd like to pursue possible solutions to help provide the things necessary for bat**** nuts crazy ladies to not kill themselves or their children. I do that because I don't want a bat**** nuts crazy lady to kill any of my children. And I would think that you wouldn't want any bat**** nuts crazy ladies to kill any of your children either.

    So if you want to continue to ignore the problems of the mentally ill in the U.S. and the effects that they can have not just on themselves but also on others, that's your choice.

    But if that's the case then I would like to talk to others here about what could be done to provide aid to the mentally ill in the U.S. who are mentally ill because of things beyond their power who may endanger themselves or me or my loved ones or people I don't even know so that the mentally ill no longer endanger so many others.
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    Re: Texas Welfare Office Shooting: Mom Denied Food Stamps For Months, Shoots Own Kids

    damn.. another texas mom slays her kids. very sad.

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    Re: Texas Welfare Office Shooting: Mom Denied Food Stamps For Months, Shoots Own Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Well, it does seem as if the woman is, indeed, a victim. It seems that she's a victim of her own mental illness. Which, being mentally ill, she may have little control over.

    And she's not the only victim either. So is her two children she shot, one of whom died. And so is the father of those children. And so is the rest of the family of that women and her children.

    Now I'm not blaming the state for that woman being mentally ill. But, nevertheless, this is an issue. And it's an issue that can happen again. And it's an issue that's happened before.

    And that issue is that we, in the United States, have a number of people who are mentally ill who, because of their mental illness, may be dangers to themselves or to others.

    And the question that I think we should ask ourselves is, "What can we do to prevent the mentally ill from harming themselves or others?"

    Because mentally ill people aren't just going to go away. Some will always be born mentally ill because of their particular biology. Which they have no control over. And some will always be made because of a confluence of events that cause them to become mentally ill. Which they have little to no control over.

    So since I realize that this will always be an issue I can't help but ask what can be done to help mitigate this issue.

    Now if you just want to say this is a bat**** nuts crazy lady who killed her children, well, I agree. But just saying that does nothing to help prevent bat**** nuts crazy ladies from killing their children in the future. And if you're okay with that well then so be it.

    But I'm not and so I'd like to pursue possible solutions to help provide the things necessary for bat**** nuts crazy ladies to not kill themselves or their children. I do that because I don't want a bat**** nuts crazy lady to kill any of my children. And I would think that you wouldn't want any bat**** nuts crazy ladies to kill any of your children either.

    So if you want to continue to ignore the problems of the mentally ill in the U.S. and the effects that they can have not just on themselves but also on others, that's your choice.

    But if that's the case then I would like to talk to others here about what could be done to provide aid to the mentally ill in the U.S. who are mentally ill because of things beyond their power who may endanger themselves or me or my loved ones or people I don't even know so that the mentally ill no longer endanger so many others.
    There is nothing that can be done. Unless you want to make every citizen subject to a mental test every year or every quarter of the year. And even then it cannot always be caught. Oh I suppose we could loosen the restrictions on what it takes to get someone put into a mental ward. Say making it to where only 1 person has to say something and the person they complained about is auto picked up and sent. But some mental people can fool even professionals given the time frame of 24-48 hrs of being kept in the ward. What to do about them?

    Point is that sometimes, crap just happens.
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    Re: Texas Welfare Office Shooting: Mom Denied Food Stamps For Months, Shoots Own Kids

    What is there to say to this that hasnt already been said...so sad that it hurts...rip innocents

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    Re: Texas Welfare Office Shooting: Mom Denied Food Stamps For Months, Shoots Own Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    There is nothing that can be done. Unless you want to make every citizen subject to a mental test every year or every quarter of the year. And even then it cannot always be caught. Oh I suppose we could loosen the restrictions on what it takes to get someone put into a mental ward. Say making it to where only 1 person has to say something and the person they complained about is auto picked up and sent. But some mental people can fool even professionals given the time frame of 24-48 hrs of being kept in the ward. What to do about them?

    Point is that sometimes, crap just happens.
    No, I don't think anything that far should happen. And I don't know if this is done in Texas already, but I think social workers should get training on identifying those who may be mentally ill so something can be done.

    I know that in a few places in the U.S. the recession has caused decreased funding to many social programs for the mentally ill. So what a few towns and cities are doing is training their police officers to identify those who may be mentally ill. The reason why is because it's quite easy for the mentally ill to be involved in crimes. And those mentally ill don't deserve to be in a prison. Rather, they need to be in a hospital where they can get treatment for their mental illness.

    And, as I said before, I think it would be a good idea to do mental health tests or interviews for those who get welfare since the mentally ill are often homeless and unemployed because they have such a difficult time holding a job because of their mental illness.

    So I'm not saying that we have to be oppressive in this. Rather, I'm thinking that maybe we could do more. And if we can do more, what are those things that we can do?
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Texas Welfare Office Shooting: Mom Denied Food Stamps For Months, Shoots Own Kids

    LAREDO — The 10-year-old boy who was shot along with his sister by their mother while they were holed up inside a state welfare agency office died Thursday evening, police said.
    Investigator Joe E. Baeza, Laredo police spokesman, said Timothy Grimmer died at 5:45 p.m. at University Hospital in San Antonio after his family decided to discontinue life support.


    Read more: Laredo boy dies of his wounds - San Antonio Express-News
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    Re: Texas Welfare Office Shooting: Mom Denied Food Stamps For Months, Shoots Own Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Actually, I wouldn't mind a mental health test at the time of application for those who seek welfare.

    Most of those who are homeless or unemployed are that way because their mental illness makes it difficult for them to keep a job or perform the other functions of society required to live a normal life. Maybe by requiring mental health tests for those seeking government assistance the government can be more pro-active in providing mental health care for those who need it.
    Maybe, or maybe it would be as hotly contested as requiring drug tests. And, then again, we have the very real tendancy of those with particular mental illness to deny/refuse help and services designed to manage those illnesses. Bipolar/Schizophrenic individuals will often buck the system and fight against receiving care. They'll refuse or lie about taking medication, they'll run from therapy. I don't think we can blame this situation on a break down or lack of mental health services in Texas. With bipolar individuals especially, it can be very hard to see that mental issues exist based on a paper application and a missed interview. I know of no state that requires a mental competency exam for TANF or WIC benefits, so Texas lacking such a test is not unique.

    I think if we're going to blame this on any government entity it should be the one that granted this woman custody when she and her husband split. There is enough interaction during those hearings and appearances for somebody to have been able to determine that the woman likely had issues. There were also easily accessible character witnesses to help reinforce that the woman had issues. If it wasn't caught then it seems ridiculous to me to go after HHS in Texas for not catching it on the basis of an unreturned phone call, missed appointment, and incomplete application...which is all the interaction this lady had with them.
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