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    Re: Texas Welfare Office Shooting: Mom Denied Food Stamps For Months, Shoots Own Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yeah: it's no diferent than anyone else who killed their family due ot financial failure as an individual.
    Except that it is most likely that this woman was a financial failure due to some kind of mental illness.

    Which, unfortunately, I think the U.S. is exceptionally bad at dealing with.

    If she was able to get some kind of help for her mental illness, maybe she would have been in a better position to take care of herself and her children. Or, at the very least, not be in a position to commit violence against them like she did.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Texas Welfare Office Shooting: Mom Denied Food Stamps For Months, Shoots Own Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    The article I read the other day stated that she was originally denied due to a lack of necessary paperwork. The case worker scheduled a follow up meeting to discuss this issue but the mother never showed up. That was in AUGUST. In NOVEMBER she charged into the HHS office and held everybody hostage for hours, then tried to kill her children before killing herself.

    This woman's issues were entirely her own, and she took her kids down in a fit of (what I have to assume was) psychosis. This is a tragedy for the children, and for the people in that office who were part of the stand-off, and for the police who tried but failed to difuse the situation. For the mother, it is nothing more than bat-**** crazy behavior that might have been prevented had she followed through with the process as originally scheduled.
    I understand your point.

    But I also think that another point is that those who are mentally ill can't be trusted to provide the paperwork and the like for that kind of bureaucracy. After all they are mentally ill and don't think in those terms.

    So I think a small bit of reform may be necessary to address that particular problem to minimize something like this from happening again.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Texas Welfare Office Shooting: Mom Denied Food Stamps For Months, Shoots Own Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Some blunt thoughts:

    Mom couldn't afford food, but had a gun?

    The little girl that passed away, for a family in dire straights, how did she have mobile access to facebook but not food?


    Sounds more like a mentally unstable woman then a failure of the Food Stamp program to me.
    Yes, but the issue is that the state had an inadequate response to this mentally unstable woman.
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    Re: Texas Welfare Office Shooting: Mom Denied Food Stamps For Months, Shoots Own Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    She sure as hell isn't going to get food stamps, now. Dumb bitch! She needs to be execute, before she breeds again.
    Dude, she offed herself.
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    Re: Texas Welfare Office Shooting: Mom Denied Food Stamps For Months, Shoots Own Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I understand your point.

    But I also think that another point is that those who are mentally ill can't be trusted to provide the paperwork and the like for that kind of bureaucracy. After all they are mentally ill and don't think in those terms.

    So I think a small bit of reform may be necessary to address that particular problem to minimize something like this from happening again.
    Based on their limited contact with this lady how were they to know? The MIL says she/the ex-husband had made reports in other states, but they weren't able to get any information to Texas authorities. Short of requiring a mental health test at the time of application, what could have been done here?
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    Re: Texas Welfare Office Shooting: Mom Denied Food Stamps For Months, Shoots Own Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    There are not any pawnshops in her town or someone she could sell her gun to? Last I checked guns are worth money.Unless she had that gun duck taped and jerry rigged its hard to believe that she couldn't get anything for her gun.
    Maybe the gun had the serial number scratched and was unreadable, so the first pawnshop she went to couldn't take it, becasue ofsome obscure Texas state law requiring all serial numbers on handguns to be fully visible in order to sell or trade. So then she was gonna take to another one across town, but she had almost no gas in her tank. So then she used her daughters cellphone to call a friend, but that friend was all like "Oooooh, yeah...I can't drive you down there. I got this thing going on today." And the woman is all like, "Oh yeah, you got a thing? That's cool, I'll just call my aunt to see if she can drive me down...by the way, did you see Ellen yesterday? Oh, it was amazing. She was interviewing a woman who climbed Mount Fairweather in British Columbia, and she only has one leg! Oh my god, it was so inspiring! You have to watch it when you get home? Do you still have DVR? Yeah? Well, you have to watch it the moment you get home! Okay, I'll let you go...uh,huh...yeah...yeah...okay, bye hun!" So then she was gonna call her aunt to give her a ride down to that second pawn shop to sell her gun, but then she realized that her daughters phone doesn't have her aunts phone number on there. So shes all like, "Oh noez! What I am gonna do?" So she drives around town for a few minutes, looking for one of those old phone booths with the Dex book attached to it to see if she can maybe look up her aunt's phone number. So she's trying to find a phonebook, while keeping an eye on the gas gauge, cuz it's really getting low now, when all of a sudden she remembers, she can call 411 on the cellphone to just get her aunt's number that way...
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    Re: Texas Welfare Office Shooting: Mom Denied Food Stamps For Months, Shoots Own Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Maybe the gun had the serial number scratched and was unreadable, so the first pawnshop she went to couldn't take it, becasue ofsome obscure Texas state law requiring all serial numbers on handguns to be fully visible in order to sell or trade. So then she was gonna take to another one across town, but she had almost no gas in her tank. So then she used her daughters cellphone to call a friend, but that friend was all like "Oooooh, yeah...I can't drive you down there. I got this thing going on today." And the woman is all like, "Oh yeah, you got a thing? That's cool, I'll just call my aunt to see if she can drive me down...by the way, did you see Ellen yesterday? Oh, it was amazing. She was interviewing a woman who climbed Mount Fairweather in British Columbia, and she only has one leg! Oh my god, it was so inspiring! You have to watch it when you get home? Do you still have DVR? Yeah? Well, you have to watch it the moment you get home! Okay, I'll let you go...uh,huh...yeah...yeah...okay, bye hun!" So then she was gonna call her aunt to give her a ride down to that second pawn shop to sell her gun, but then she realized that her daughters phone doesn't have her aunts phone number on there. So shes all like, "Oh noez! What I am gonna do?" So she drives around town for a few minutes, looking for one of those old phone booths with the Dex book attached to it to see if she can maybe look up her aunt's phone number. So she's trying to find a phonebook, while keeping an eye on the gas gauge, cuz it's really getting low now, when all of a sudden she remembers, she can call 411 on the cellphone to just get her aunt's number that way...

    When the term grasping at straws was invented they must have been reading your posts. I am surprised you didn't have alien abductions and JFK in your post as the reason she couldn't sell her gun.
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    Re: Texas Welfare Office Shooting: Mom Denied Food Stamps For Months, Shoots Own Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Based on their limited contact with this lady how were they to know? The MIL says she/the ex-husband had made reports in other states, but they weren't able to get any information to Texas authorities. Short of requiring a mental health test at the time of application, what could have been done here?
    Actually, I wouldn't mind a mental health test at the time of application for those who seek welfare.

    Most of those who are homeless or unemployed are that way because their mental illness makes it difficult for them to keep a job or perform the other functions of society required to live a normal life. Maybe by requiring mental health tests for those seeking government assistance the government can be more pro-active in providing mental health care for those who need it.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Texas Welfare Office Shooting: Mom Denied Food Stamps For Months, Shoots Own Kids

    Whenever things like this happen - and they're happening quite often (or at least it seems that way). . . the family or ex spouse says "well we knew he/she was ****ed up! I mean - totally a nut waiting to crack!"



    Do they REALLY - or is this just with the sake of hindsight . . . .becuase what kind of people are they if they *know* someone is able and willing to do something like this but they fail ot seek help or intervene.

    A lot of cases lately have been with single mothers who have custody - or stay at home moms . . . I'm not sure what that means but obviously a lot of women aren't handling things very well. I'd like to know why. And a lot of Dad's aren't involved or aorund - I'd also like to know why.
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    Re: Texas Welfare Office Shooting: Mom Denied Food Stamps For Months, Shoots Own Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Yes, but the issue is that the state had an inadequate response to this mentally unstable woman.
    Gotta make the State the Bad Guy, and the woman a victim... just can't let it go can you?
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