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    Re: Texas Welfare Office Shooting: Mom Denied Food Stamps For Months, Shoots Own Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Honour violence is never pretty.
    Being kinda local to this incident I don't see it as honor violence. I see it as desperation violence. Maybe we see things differently could you please explain what you mean by honor violence.

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    Re: Texas Welfare Office Shooting: Mom Denied Food Stamps For Months, Shoots Own Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Being kinda local to this incident I don't see it as honor violence. I see it as desperation violence. Maybe we see things differently could you please explain what you mean by honor violence.
    Depends on what her real motive was. But it could easily be

    1. The shame of asking for food stamps and not getting them. Basically her honour was hurt twice.. first by asking and then getting a no. You might call it being desperate, but being desperate is one thing but then getting turned away? How does that not hurt ones "honour" on a subconscious level at least?

    2. Killing her children is either to shield them from that shame of what she did or to shield them from the shame of a mother that would kill herself. Also very much honour based violence.

    Tell me.. would you be more willing to accept it as an honour killing if you knew it was a Muslim that did the crime?
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    Re: Texas Welfare Office Shooting: Mom Denied Food Stamps For Months, Shoots Own Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Depends on what her real motive was. But it could easily be

    1. The shame of asking for food stamps and not getting them. Basically her honour was hurt twice.. first by asking and then getting a no. You might call it being desperate, but being desperate is one thing but then getting turned away? How does that not hurt ones "honour" on a subconscious level at least?

    2. Killing her children is either to shield them from that shame of what she did or to shield them from the shame of a mother that would kill herself. Also very much honour based violence.

    Tell me.. would you be more willing to accept it as an honour killing if you knew it was a Muslim that did the crime?
    What in the **** are you smoking?

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    The little girl, Ramie, has now died of her injuries. She may have predicted her death on Facebook when she posted "may die 2day" hours before her mother shot her. The kids' father was flying down from Montana. His mother says Rachelle Grimmer had a history of mental problems.

    Rachelle Grimmer mentally unsound, former mother-in-law says | Zanesville Times Recorder | zanesvilletimesrecorder.com

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    Re: Texas Welfare Office Shooting: Mom Denied Food Stamps For Months, Shoots Own Kids

    Tragic all the way around. These children should have been separated from their mother by either family or a state (since she seemed to move a lot). Being libertarian, I think state involvement should be minimized wherever possible, but certainly not for the reasonable protection of younger children.

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    Re: Texas Welfare Office Shooting: Mom Denied Food Stamps For Months, Shoots Own Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Being kinda local to this incident I don't see it as honor violence. I see it as desperation violence. Maybe we see things differently could you please explain what you mean by honor violence.
    Yeah: it's no diferent than anyone else who killed their family due ot financial failure as an individual.

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    Re: Texas Welfare Office Shooting: Mom Denied Food Stamps For Months, Shoots Own Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Being kinda local to this incident I don't see it as honor violence. I see it as desperation violence. Maybe we see things differently could you please explain what you mean by honor violence.
    I read the article it says she got food stamps in a day, but missed the appointment.

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    Re: Texas Welfare Office Shooting: Mom Denied Food Stamps For Months, Shoots Own Kids

    Child shot in Texas welfare standoff dies
    By The Associated Press
    SAN ANTONIO -- Authorities say a 12-year-old girl shot by her mother during a standoff at a Texas welfare office has died.
    Laredo police spokesman Joe Baeza said Ramie Grimmer died Wednesday at a San Antonio hospital. Her 10-year-old brother was in critical condition.
    Their mother, Rachelle Grimmer, was found dead Monday inside a state welfare office in Laredo. Authorities say the 38-year-old killed herself after shooting her children during a seven-hour standoff with police.
    U.S. News - Child shot in Texas welfare standoff dies

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    Re: Texas Welfare Office Shooting: Mom Denied Food Stamps For Months, Shoots Own Kids

    The article I read the other day stated that she was originally denied due to a lack of necessary paperwork. The case worker scheduled a follow up meeting to discuss this issue but the mother never showed up. That was in AUGUST. In NOVEMBER she charged into the HHS office and held everybody hostage for hours, then tried to kill her children before killing herself.

    This woman's issues were entirely her own, and she took her kids down in a fit of (what I have to assume was) psychosis. This is a tragedy for the children, and for the people in that office who were part of the stand-off, and for the police who tried but failed to difuse the situation. For the mother, it is nothing more than bat-**** crazy behavior that might have been prevented had she followed through with the process as originally scheduled.
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