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    Re: Obama Elevates Gay Rights as a Foreign Policy Priority

    Quote Originally Posted by Parrish View Post
    If it's going to be part of foreign policy it ought to be domestic policy as well.
    These domestic policies involves those of another country. They have their own law, their own culture, and their direction they wish to take that might not mesh up with ours at all. What you wish for them to have the other society might just not be ready for and might not accept. Its better to just stay out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    He could have done ALL of that in his first year, when he had a majority congress who would have run roughshod over the opposition and passed every damned bill and-or-repeal that he wanted, which was what he'd promised to do during his campaign. He didn't. Now he can't. Lost credibility is lost.
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    Re: Obama Elevates Gay Rights as a Foreign Policy Priority

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Well, our government usually tells other nations to live by standards that it exempts itself from, so I don't see why this should be any different.
    Yes, because we stone and criminlize LBGT people all the ****ing time.

    Un-****ing-believable.

    Can't really get massively bothered about this. Would I rather we butt out of the business of other countries by and large? Sure. But that's unrealistic at this point and if we're going to be doing this kind of stuff I think attempting to suggest people should ****ing kill people for being gay is a pretty reasonable thing to promot.

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    Re: Obama Elevates Gay Rights as a Foreign Policy Priority

    I'm a huge supporter of gay rights, but I agree that we need to get our own house in order first. I don't mind if he wants to give some speeches or send some delegates around trying to convince those countries to change policy, but don't commit any resources to the effort until we stop legalized discrimination in the US. We are not and cannot be the world's police, especially when we are facing the domestic problems we have right now.

    I sure wouldn't mind seeing 20 bills come out that all included the repeal of DOMA.

    Edit: I should add that I find what is going on out there disgusting, but it's not worse than other atrocities we are failing to prevent. It's just easy to paint good guy and bad guy name tags on this one, so it feels political more than moral.
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    Re: Obama Elevates Gay Rights as a Foreign Policy Priority

    If you are in foreign country and are of the limp-wrist persuasion, you might think twice before flaunting yourself like a peacock. Likewise if you are a girl who dresses like a lumberjack, you might try a dress when somewhere like Poland or the like. What America in all its Political Correctness fails to notice is that the rest of the world is not as lenient as we are. Personally I think homosexuals should seek professional help.

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    Re: Obama Elevates Gay Rights as a Foreign Policy Priority

    Quote Originally Posted by coolwalker View Post
    If you are in foreign country and are of the limp-wrist persuasion, you might think twice before flaunting yourself like a peacock. Likewise if you are a girl who dresses like a lumberjack, you might try a dress when somewhere like Poland or the like. What America in all its Political Correctness fails to notice is that the rest of the world is not as lenient as we are. Personally I think homosexuals should seek professional help.
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    Re: Obama Elevates Gay Rights as a Foreign Policy Priority

    Quote Originally Posted by coolwalker View Post
    If you are in foreign country and are of the limp-wrist persuasion, you might think twice before flaunting yourself like a peacock. Likewise if you are a girl who dresses like a lumberjack, you might try a dress when somewhere like Poland or the like. What America in all its Political Correctness fails to notice is that the rest of the world is not as lenient as we are. Personally I think homosexuals should seek professional help.
    um...what?
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Obama Elevates Gay Rights as a Foreign Policy Priority

    I wonder what Obama is going to do about the religious persecution many face in other countries...
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    Re: Obama Elevates Gay Rights as a Foreign Policy Priority

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I wonder what Obama is going to do about the religious persecution many face in other countries...
    Tell them to follow Islam so we don't anger the great unwashed.

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    Re: Obama Elevates Gay Rights as a Foreign Policy Priority

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I wonder what Obama is going to do about the religious persecution many face in other countries...
    Truly, there's not much a President or his Administration can do besides talk about it.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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