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    Re: Obama Elevates Gay Rights as a Foreign Policy Priority

    Seems to me we have more urgent matters to worry about just the now.



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    Re: Obama Elevates Gay Rights as a Foreign Policy Priority

    So is there going to come to point when the country once again realizes Foreign Policy is supposed to do with the defense of this country and ONLY THAT. It is none of our business how other countries treat their citizens.

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    Re: Obama Elevates Gay Rights as a Foreign Policy Priority

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So is there going to come to point when the country once again realizes Foreign Policy is supposed to do with the defense of this country and ONLY THAT. It is none of our business how other countries treat their citizens.
    I see your point, but to be fair that is an entirely subjective judgment.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Obama Elevates Gay Rights as a Foreign Policy Priority

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Seems to me we have more urgent matters to worry about just the now.


    Ensuring that all, not just some, of our citizens have their constitutional rights protected is pretty high up on the list, IMHO. I heard the same thing said about the Civil Rights Act, back in the day (I know, I know, a lop-sided comparison to be sure, but the basic premise is the same). Yes, there are wars and the economy is in the toilet, yada, yada, yada, but I've seen all these things before and most of you will see all these things again. However, until this country comes to grips with the last demographic that is legally discriminated against and denied equal constitutional rights, then there aren't many other domestic agendas that should take priority.

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    Re: Obama Elevates Gay Rights as a Foreign Policy Priority

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    He could have done ALL of that in his first year, when he had a majority congress who would have run roughshod over the opposition and passed every damned bill and-or-repeal that he wanted, which was what he'd promised to do during his campaign. He didn't. Now he can't. Lost credibility is lost.
    Sure, he really didn't have anything else to deal with, and assuming he could even get the support of blue dog Dems.

    It's a bit of a non-issue now that Obama has instructed the DOJ not to defend the law.

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    Re: Obama Elevates Gay Rights as a Foreign Policy Priority

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Seems to me we have more urgent matters to worry about just the now.

    We can focus on more than one thing at a time.

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    Re: Obama Elevates Gay Rights as a Foreign Policy Priority

    If it's going to be part of foreign policy it ought to be domestic policy as well.

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    Re: Obama Elevates Gay Rights as a Foreign Policy Priority

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Seems to me we have more urgent matters to worry about just the now.


    You mean like having as our motto "In God we trust ?"

    Give me a break.

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    Re: Obama Elevates Gay Rights as a Foreign Policy Priority

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    We can focus on more than one thing at a time.
    Well yeah, like the worst recession since WWII, the potential collapse of General Motors and Chrysler, the Afghan war, the Iraq war, the most significant health care reform in the nation's history ... little stuff like that.

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    Re: Obama Elevates Gay Rights as a Foreign Policy Priority

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I see your point, but to be fair that is an entirely subjective judgment.
    Then you don't understand my position. I'm not into just doing anything for that end as many of them involve a violation of the second rule to not interfere with others business.

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