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    Re: Feds: Couple claimed welfare, lived in $1.2M home

    Should be considered grand larceny and tried as such.

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    Re: Feds: Couple claimed welfare, lived in $1.2M home

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I thought things like this were checked when people filed for welfare and other tax payer funded benefits.
    Iirc, from the last one of these cases, they ask about income only, not about assets.
    Even if they applied for bankruptcy, they would be allowed to keep their house.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Feds: Couple claimed welfare, lived in $1.2M home

    Unless something has changed from when I read the article, there was no crime committed. Apparently the woman followed the rules and application process and didnt lie. Abusive? Perhaps, but she abused the system LEGALLY. just a very good indicator that all social services programs should be reviewed and revised to eliminate fraud or these types of legal abuse. It makes it very hard to happily support social spending programs when they are so readily used and often abused.

    Edit: This is a different story from the AP article posted Monday. Apparently there were legal abuses.
    Last edited by VanceMack; 12-07-11 at 03:36 PM.

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    Re: Feds: Couple claimed welfare, lived in $1.2M home

    First - most assistance programs have both asset and income limits. Second - a relative cannot be the landlord receiving section 8 payments for rental property. Third - failing to disclose marital status truthfully or to disclose assets like a jaguar or bank accounts is obtaining benefits under fraudulent circumstances. Fourth - while criminal charges can be brought, most programs would rather recoup the missing money as send people to jail. My guess is that the state will drop any criminal charges if the couple pays back the ill-gotten benefits.
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    Re: Feds: Couple claimed welfare, lived in $1.2M home

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Plus a healthy financial penalty and possibly some time behind bars for fraud. (Do they lock people up for that?)
    No, they bail out their companies so they can continue to receive their large year-end bonuses.... Oh, that was another fraud.

    No, they run for the Republican nomination for President .... oh, we aren't discussing Newt...

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    Re: Feds: Couple claimed welfare, lived in $1.2M home

    This at the same time a Texas woman kills herself and tries to kill her two kids because they were starving, and red tape kept them from being approved for food stamps.

    Texas mom who was denied food stamps shoots children, kills self at welfare office - NY Daily News

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    Re: Feds: Couple claimed welfare, lived in $1.2M home

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Unless something has changed from when I read the article, there was no crime committed. Apparently the woman followed the rules and application process and didnt lie. Abusive? Perhaps, but she abused the system LEGALLY. just a very good indicator that all social services programs should be reviewed and revised to eliminate fraud or these types of legal abuse. It makes it very hard to happily support social spending programs when they are so readily used and often abused.

    Edit: This is a different story from the AP article posted Monday. Apparently there were legal abuses.
    They got busted. Looks like the system worked in this case.

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    Re: Feds: Couple claimed welfare, lived in $1.2M home

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    They got busted. Looks like the system worked in this case.
    You are joking...right? They have been collecting fraudulently for what...8 years now? Hmmmm...boy...thats some awesome 'workage' right there now...innit! Yeehaw!

    Geeezus...

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    Re: Feds: Couple claimed welfare, lived in $1.2M home

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    This at the same time a Texas woman kills herself and tries to kill her two kids because they were starving, and red tape kept them from being approved for food stamps.

    Texas mom who was denied food stamps shoots children, kills self at welfare office - NY Daily News
    While the Texas case IS sad, the reality is that 336 thousand people manage to figure out the food stamp system in Texas every year. From that article she didnt bring in the right paperwork, put off going back in, failed to meet her appointment...doesnt sound like she was putting in a 40 hour work week to provide for her family (even where that 40 hours involves seeking social services).

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    Re: Feds: Couple claimed welfare, lived in $1.2M home

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You are joking...right? They have been collecting fraudulently for what...8 years now? Hmmmm...boy...thats some awesome 'workage' right there now...innit! Yeehaw!

    Geeezus...
    And they got caught, and they will have to pay back the money, plus fines and interest. So it pretty much worked.

    You think corporations have never had people embezzle from them? If someone embezzles for eight years and gets caught, do you conclude that the corporate form is hopeless and should be abandoned?

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