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Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

MrVicchio said:
You are dictated to have insurance, or pay a penalty.
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Which is the same thing as saying "If I have a kid I can write him off on my taxes. Therefor if I don't have a kid I'm fined by the government by more taxes. The government is forcing me to have kids!"

They also are making me buy a house.

MrVicchio said:
Oh and you cannot choose your coverage, it's chosen FOR you.
That's the definition of control.
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There isn't just one option that you can pick from. There's many plans and as long as it fits the minimum criteria it's all good. Most plans already do. By definition, if there are at least two plans to pick from, you're getting a choice. Unless you're claiming that they are banning all insurance plans and companies except for one you are wrong. If you are claiming that then please provide evidence.
 
MrVicchio said:
Oh please, you're going to vote for him, spare us the false agony of choice.
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Just noting....... Most people that know me are surprised and I believe some do not even believe me still that I didn't vote for McCain. I've voted GOP in the presidential election every time since 1984. (I turned 18 in Oct of 1979 and really had other things on my mind at the time).

I believe more and more are having a difficult time voting for the choices that are gave. Even if in the end they go ahead and vote for what they believe is the lesser of two evils, I wouldn't dismiss a statement right now from someone having a difficult time making the same old votes they did in the past.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Uhhh that controls your life?
Pay the penalty then...
You have to have car insurance.. "MY LIFE IS BEING CONTROLLED!"
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Negative.
TheDemSocialist said:
No see that is a flat out lie. You can still chooser your coverage. Not a bureaucrat... You choose your own coverage.
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Nope, see you don't even know what Obamacare will do. Not a shock really.



TheDemSocialist said:
How many? Do they still get treated?
How many? I can tell you how many die in this country.....
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No, you cannot.

TheDemSocialist said:
That is your "logical" reponse to that? "In Europe people life free stuff"? :doh
Im pretty sure they dont think UHC is free... Im pretty sure they know that is where some of their tax dollars go to...
Soo you whole response is "Europeans like free ****".. Wow..... Wow..... Now i know why people have really bad stereotypes about us (Americans)
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No, PEOPLE like free stuff. period. That's human nature.
 
MrVicchio said:
Negative.
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Uhhh nooo... When you buy a car you have to get car insurance if you want to drive that on public roads....

Nope, see you don't even know what Obamacare will do. Not a shock really.
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PolitiFact | Herman Cain said government bureaucrats will determine when you get a CAT scan once the new health care law begins
PolitiFact | PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'A government takeover of health care'

I think you dont know...





No, you cannot.
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Im asking you.....
Can you tell me?



No, PEOPLE like free stuff. period. That's human nature.
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So its not because they enjoy the cost and the quality and treatment of the care but because they like it because they think its "free"?
I mean that is a really loose and im going to say idiotic argument..
 
1Perry said:
President Barack Obama delivered a sweeping indictment of economic inequality in the U.S. on Tuesday ................... while on a two week vacation in Hawaii.
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So what does it say about him that he vacations at his place of birth and where he grew up?
 
nonpareil said:
So what does it say about him that he vacations at his place of birth and where he grew up?
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That it's still a very expensive thing to do that many are unable to afford.
 
1Perry said:
That it's still a very expensive thing to do that many are unable to afford.
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So the only way you can advocate for those that have less is to act like you have less?

Such a childish argument, lol.
 
1Perry said:
That it's still a very expensive thing to do that many are unable to afford.
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Why are you so envious of the rich? Class warfare!!
 
1Perry said:
That it's still a very expensive thing to do that many are unable to afford.
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Is there any secret that he can afford it? Or are you saying he should not be able to afford it while other Americans can't? Or that if he can afford it, he shouldn't be talking about helping poor people who can't afford it?

Look at it in anyway, using the fact that he visits his birthplace, where he grew up, where he might want his children to get to know as part of their father's history, is an attack of the silly illogical sort practiced by Fox and followers.
 
Zyphlin said:
We need to restore the American Dream by demonizing those that succeed...

...yes, that makes sense.

We also need to restore the desire to reach the superbowl in our ****ty franchises by demonizing how the Steelers and Packers do business.

There's a lot of rhetoric you can use to push more regulation on business, more taxes on business, more taxes on wealth, more hoops to jump through the more successful you are, etc....however appealing to the American Dream is ridiculous imho.
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Could you quote the demonizing part? I must have missed that.
 
1Perry said:
That it's still a very expensive thing to do that many are unable to afford.
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Obama is willing to pay a higher tax rate.........................
 
roughdraft274 said:
So the only way you can advocate for those that have less is to act like you have less?

Such a childish argument, lol.
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There's a word for that. It's called, "leadership".
 
Zyphlin said:
We need to restore the American Dream by demonizing those that succeed...

...yes, that makes sense.

We also need to restore the desire to reach the superbowl in our ****ty franchises by demonizing how the Steelers and Packers do business.

There's a lot of rhetoric you can use to push more regulation on business, more taxes on business, more taxes on wealth, more hoops to jump through the more successful you are, etc....however appealing to the American Dream is ridiculous imho.
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The worst thing he said was that Rugged Individualism doesn't work, and never did.
 
apdst said:
Why doesn't he? He only paid taxes in a 25% tax bracket on $1.7 million. He should have paid in the 35% bracket. Wassup with that?

Obama Taxes & Income: President & First Lady Paid $453,770 In Taxes On $1.7 Million Income
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Actually, as your article states, Obama overpaid his taxes:

"Through withholding and estimated tax payments during the year, the Obamas paid $466,104 to the Internal Revenue Service. That was an overpayment, so they are getting a $12,334 refund."
 
Obama has started a class war? Lol come on guys their has been a class war going on in America for the past 30 years and thus far it has involved the uper class kicking the working class everytime they try and get up, still waiting for that famous trickle down...
 
apdst said:
Why doesn't he? He only paid taxes in a 25% tax bracket on $1.7 million. He should have paid in the 35% bracket. Wassup with that?

Obama Taxes & Income: President & First Lady Paid $453,770 In Taxes On $1.7 Million Income
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Lol, oh lord lets see if I can explain this to you.

He did in fact pay on a 35% tax bracket. That only applies to income over $372,951. Everything below that you pay the tax rate that it is under. If you earn 100,000, even though that puts you under the 25% bracket (filing jointly) that isn't the exact rate you pay because not all of your 100,000 is taxed at that rate. This isn't something they only do for the president.

He paid the taxes that he was obligated to pay and if the tax rates on the wealthy are raised, he will pay those elevated taxes also.
 
Catawba said:
Actually, as your article states, Obama overpaid his taxes:

"Through withholding and estimated tax payments during the year, the Obamas paid $466,104 to the Internal Revenue Service. That was an overpayment, so they are getting a $12,334 refund."
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So, they paid less than 25%? Awesome! :lamo
 
roughdraft274 said:
Lol, oh lord lets see if I can explain this to you.

He did in fact pay on a 35% tax bracket. That only applies to income over $372,951. Everything below that you pay the tax rate that it is under. If you earn 100,000, even though that puts you under the 25% bracket (filing jointly) that isn't the exact rate you pay because not all of your 100,000 is taxed at that rate. This isn't something they only do for the president.

He paid the taxes that he was obligated to pay and if the tax rates on the wealthy are raised, he will pay those elevated taxes also.
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So, why did he only pay 25% on $1.7 million? Hmmm?
 
MrVicchio said:
News from The Associated Press n

So, Obama's abandoned all recourse and is now 100% behind class warfare, envy and jealousy as his mission statement. How do people buy his ****? I mean seriously, "Make or break time for the middle class". Yeah, break if you side with Obama nad put your trust in bureaucrats to save you. Obama's not offering salvation, he's handing you Yoke an saying with sweet words "Put it on, it won't hurt, it's there to help you!"

WAKE UP People, and fight back, against ANY politician that tells you "Government" is the answer. (that goes for you Newt)
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So what say you about Job Core, Pell Grant, Subsidized or Unsubsidzed student loans, the government helping people out that get laid off to go back to school to make more money (which in turn, becomes more tax dollars for them in the future) I could go on. Government of course is not the only answer, but the government is here to serve the people, and sometimes it does a good job.
 
He is right-it is during tough times like these that the middle class (which is dying thanks to the rightwingers) are what save this damn country. Time and time again! The middle class is what keeps this damn country flowing and why you do not have riots in the streets. They along with the poor are this countrys saving grace. It is damn sure not that of those on the Hill and/or the rich.
 
apdst said:
So, why did he only pay 25% on $1.7 million? Hmmm?
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Because we have a marginal tax rate system, which means you pay taxes on earnings that fall within a particular tax bracket and if there is more income you'll pay the rate in that bracket and so on. So Obama pays 10% for all income below $16,750 and 15% for income above $16,750 and below $34,000 and so on.

Tax Rate Single Married/Joint Married/Separate Head of Household
10% $0 $0 $0 $0
15% $8,375 $16,750 $8,375 $11,950
25% $34,000 $68,000 $34,000 $45,550
28% $82,400 $137,300 $68,650 $117,650
33% $171,850 $209,250 $104,625 $190,550
35% $373,650 $373,650 $186,825 $373,650

2011 Federal Individual Income Tax Rate Schedule - Tax Brackets for 2011
 
apdst said:
So, why did he only pay 25% on $1.7 million? Hmmm?
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Because there are such things as tax write-offs, deductions etc. If you own a house, have kids etc. you get deductions. Have you ever filed for taxes before?
 
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