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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

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    TRick questions! lol. 45k... there aren't that many people in canada lol. Seriously though, so many canadians cross the border for HC and that IS the truth. IF their HC was superior, we'd be crossing the border to get HC from them, not the other way around. As for UHC in Europe and why many people are still clamoring to it, there really isn't much in the way of private practice in most major European coutries and most Europeans just don't make anywhere near enough to afford any type of HC at all.
    "A Growing Number of American Patients are Seeking Medical Treatment Abroad
    The medical tourism industry has seen a major increase in the past decade.

    Researchers have confirmed that:

    * In 2006, about 150,000 American citizens traveled to Latin America and Asia for medical treatment.
    * In 2007, the figure increased to approximately 300,000.
    * By 2010, experts say that the number could increase to well over 1 million."

    "For many people who require medical treatment, the last thing they want to do is travel. However, due to the high cost of medical treatment in the USA, many American patients are going abroad for medical treatments. Their purpose is to save 50% to 80% on medical treatment conducted by doctors who are often trained in the United States, at hospitals that maintain the precise standards of patient care and safety."

    Medical Tourism USA - Americans Seek Medical Treatment Abroad
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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    one thing i've learned in being active in politics for 40+ years is .... just before any election, it's always "make or break time" for some thing or some one.

    it's a timeless and time tested tactic.... "elect me and i will save you.. vote for the other guy and you will be doomed"... politics 101

    one day it might actually be true, but i'm not holding my breath waiting on that day.

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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    ahh yes, so you did... I missed it, my bad

    i'm still going over the law... and i'm still dismissing your hyperbole as the bull**** it most obviously is...it is not dictatorial in nature, it is not racist in nature, it strips no voter of any rights... you are quite simply...wrong.

    for what it's worth , I don't care about Detroit or Michigan, or this law personally, I have no dog in this hunt.....
    all i see is talk up there... for 2 years mayor Bing has had the helm, and he has failed in taking care of the fiscal problems... the city council hasn't dealt with them to any discernible effect... nobody at the local level has done ****.... up until the state said " if y'all won't do it, we will".. and all of sudden, city officials are scrambling to find way out of their mess (ironically, asking the state to come help)... at the very least, this law serves as a nice motivating tool to get local officials and union bosses off their ass.

    hopefully Detroit can fix it's mess before emergency measures are taken... it's possible, and it's going to test the city quite a bit... but if they can't handle it, the state will step in and handle their finances for them.
    MY BAD!?!?!?!?!? Was there ever a more lame phrase invented which means I SCREWED UP ROYALLY AND MDE A FOOL OF MYSELF AND WILL NOW ATTEMPT TO SHRUG IT OF BY PRETENDING TO BE COOL?

    You now pretend to get away with telling us that you do not care what Mayor Bing says but just hours ago tried to wiggle your way out of this telling us that an official from the city had to request the State help. ... which they clearly DO NOT as is in the law I reproduced for you.

    Quote the law to us and explain what you think the law is. I gave you the law and the relevant sections which are clear and unmistakable. Why do you treat it like it is a leper in a highly infectious colony?

    Put aside your partisan interpretation.

    Put aside your deep need to absolve conservatives from all evil.

    Put aside your lame attempt to confuse financial management with basic citizen rights.

    Put aside your aversion to truth and facts.

    Answer truthfully one question: do the people of these towns and cities get to vote for the government over them?
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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    MY BAD!?!?!?!?!? Was there ever a more lame phrase invented which means I SCREWED UP ROYALLY AND MDE A FOOL OF MYSELF AND WILL NOW ATTEMPT TO SHRUG IT OF BY PRETENDING TO BE COOL?

    You now pretend to get away with telling us that you do not care what Mayor Bing says but just hours ago tried to wiggle your way out of this telling us that and official from the city had to request the State help. ... which they clearly DO NOT as is in the law I reproduced for you.

    Quote the law to us and explain what you think the law is. I gave you the law and the relevant sections which are clear and unmistakable. Why do you treat it like it is a leper in a highly infectious colony?

    Put aside your partisan interpretation.

    Put aside your deep need to absolve conservatives from all evil.

    Put aside your lame attempt to confuse financial management with basic citizen rights.

    Put aside your aversion to truth and facts.

    Answer truthfully one question: do the people of these towns and cities get to vote for the government over them?
    you are the first person i've met that, when offered up an admission of being mistaken, you still find a way to whine about it and attack me over it...but that's ok, I'll still continue to admit when i'm wrong.

    when i regain a bit of my civility, I may entertain your arguments further... but right now, I don't feel any civility towards you whatsoever, so i'll defer to another time.

    be careful in what you say in reply to this post.

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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    you are the first person i've met that, when offered up an admission of being mistaken, you still find a way to whine about it and attack me over it...but that's ok, I'll still continue to admit when i'm wrong.

    when i regain a bit of my civility, I may entertain your arguments further... but right now, I don't feel any civility towards you whatsoever, so i'll defer to another time.

    be careful in what you say in reply to this post.
    But Thrilla you have not shown any civility so far.

    I shutter to think people that can mangle an issue so thoroughly work in government....
    And that is but one example of the tone you set.



    You have attempted to ignore my actual posts, ignore the content, ignore the links, and ignore the reality and facts. You tell us what the law says which is wrong and when I give you the actual wording in the law you pretend it is not there or you ignore it. You make assertions of fact about this law, get proven to the contrary and then just attempt to reframe your opinion with nothing behind it in the way of facts about the law.

    Allow me to explain one thing to you. I was in the room when this bill was debated before committee. I was in the room when the arguments were framed and written against it. I wrote one of the major floor speeches given against it. I helped write press releases exposing what it would do. I know this bill very very well having seen it conceived, born and placed into effect.

    And in case you didn't get it - a pet peeve of mine is the lame phrase MY BAD. Make me the world Emergency Manager for a day and I would abolish it - even if you voted to keep it... but then you couldn't do that could you since I would have all the power.
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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    one thing i've learned in being active in politics for 40+ years is .... just before any election, it's always "make or break time" for some thing or some one.

    it's a timeless and time tested tactic.... "elect me and i will save you.. vote for the other guy and you will be doomed"... politics 101

    one day it might actually be true, but i'm not holding my breath waiting on that day.
    The only way Obama has any kind of chance is to market himself as a messiah. It's how he got elected the first time.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Obama says no vacation till payroll tax cut extended; Republicans advance bill

    "President Barack Obama vowed to delay Congress' year-end vacation as well as his own Thursday for "as long as it takes" to extend Social Security payroll tax cuts and long-term jobless benefits, his second challenge in as many days to conservative Republicans."

    Obama says no vacation till payroll tax cut extended; Republicans advance bill - 12/8/2011 4:15:08 PM | Newser
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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

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    Obama says no vacation till payroll tax cut extended; Republicans advance bill

    "President Barack Obama vowed to delay Congress' year-end vacation as well as his own Thursday for "as long as it takes" to extend Social Security payroll tax cuts and long-term jobless benefits, his second challenge in as many days to conservative Republicans."

    Obama says no vacation till payroll tax cut extended; Republicans advance bill - 12/8/2011 4:15:08 PM | Newser
    So, you're saying that the American people are going to be bought off for 10 bucks a week?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, you're saying that the American people are going to be bought off for 10 bucks a week?
    Yeah, raising working class taxes by $1,000 is a good strategy for the Republicans. Go for it.

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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yeah, raising working class taxes by $1,000 is a good strategy for the Republicans. Go for it.
    I doubt anyone will even notice. It'll just mean there tax refund will be bigger.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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