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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The remarks of President Obama were 100% spot on. I dearly hope we see that theme play a major role in the campaign. Working people in America have to be aware of what is on the line for them at this pivotal point in history. We are perched on the edge of a knife and if we allow the right wing to take over the White House and the Senate it will be a major disaster that will take decades to recover from. We are seeing the rape of democracy and the middle class in several such states now. Here in Michigan, we are approaching half of all African Americans being stripped of their right to vote for their local government by Republicans.
    half huh? Do you make this up or do others tell you to say things like this?
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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

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    half huh? Do you make this up or do others tell you to say things like this?
    Right now, the cities of Benton Harbor, Ecorse, Flint and Pontiac have had their elected officials deposed and stripped of power by Emergency Managers under the Republican sponsored Bill #4 passed earlier this year. Detroit has a similar arrangement for their schools stripping the people of the power to have a school board with any power and the first steps have been taken in an official financial review to impose a financial manager on Detroit and strip them of elected officials. The first steps have also been taken against Inkster.

    All six of those municipalities have a majority African American population. Together, they total 51% of African Americans in Michigan. That will end up being a majority of Michigan African American citizens who have been stripped of their right to vote for their local government and instead have one dictatorially imposed upon them by the State.

    http://www.freep.com/article/2011120...being-revamped


    So I am NOT making this up.

    Does this usurpation of basic citizen rights upset you at all or do you merely wish to make another smart aleck remark directed at me?

    A great American President, Abraham Lincoln, a Republican, said that we had a "government of the people, by the people and for the people." In those named communities they only have government for the people. The by the people part has been flushed and the of the people part has been trashed. I cannot even use the Meat Loaf song "Two Out of Three Ain't Bad" because they are only left with one out of three.

    Does this frighten you or, like the rural and suburban Republicans who passed this law, do you sit smug and content in the confidence that it only 'those other people' who have to suffer under this usurpation of their most important of citizenship rights?
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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Right now, the cities of Benton Harbor, Ecorse, Flint and Pontiac have had their elected officials deposed and stripped of power by Emergency Managers under the Republican sponsored Bill #4 pass earlier this year. Detroit has a similar arrangement for their schools stripping the people of the power to have a school board with any power and the first steps have been taken in an official financial review to impose a financial manager on Detroit and strip them of elected officials. The first steps have also been taken against Inkster.

    All six of those municipalities have a majority African American population. Together, they total 51% of African Americans in Michigan. That will end up being a majority of Michigan African American citizens who have been stripped of their right to vote for their local government and instead have one dictatorially imposed upon them by the State.

    Emergency manager law being revamped | Detroit Free Press | freep.com


    So I am NOT making this up.

    Does this usurpation of basic citizen rights upset you at all or do you merely wish to make another smart aleck remark directed at me?
    link?.......

    edit.. nevermind , you added a link.... thanks

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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    whew.. for a minute I thought you were being accurate in your assessment of what's happening in Michigan.

    i'm relieved to find out that is not the case.

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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    whew.. for a minute I thought you were being accurate in your assessment of what's happening in Michigan.

    i'm relieved to find out that is not the case.
    what in blazes are you talking about?

    All you have to do is take the four cities now under EFM, add in Detroit and Inkster which are under review in the first step to an EFM, then look at the Michigan population of just under 10 million, calculate the 14% of the population which is African American, look up the population and demographics of those six cities and you get a figure of just under 700, African Americans who are now or soon will be stripped of their right to elect city officials under the republican proposals Bill #4.

    Detroit 714,000 - 83% AA
    Pontiac 59,000 - 52% AA
    Benton Harbor 10,000 92% AA
    Flint 102,000 54% AA
    Ecorse 9,500 41% AA
    Inkster 25,000 75% AA

    that gets you to the total of just over half of all African American citizens in Michigan who are now or will be stripped of their voting rights to elect their own city government.

    And you would not care about this.................... why exactly? Perhaps you need to read this from Martin Niemoller

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    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

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    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

    Then they came for me
    and there was no one left to speak out for me.
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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    In the above post I meant to say 700 THOUSAND African Americans or people of color..... not 700.
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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    no one is stripped of their right to vote for local elected officials...

    emergency managers are not some form of "dicatatorship".

    this is not a race issue, no matter how much you want to make it one... it's entirely fiscal.

    I shutter to think people that can mangle an issue so thoroughly work in government....

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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    no one is stripped of their right to vote for local elected officials...

    emergency managers are not some form of "dicatatorship".

    this is not a race issue, no matter how much you want to make it one... it's entirely fiscal.

    I shutter to think people that can mangle an issue so thoroughly work in government....
    You are either lying or are ignorant of the conditions.

    Under this new extreme broadening of a 20 year old law which was rather benign , local citizens lose the right to vote for their local government as the mayor and council no longer have any powers and the city is run by a financial manager who has ALL powers that the elected government would have. The imposition of the manager is up to the Treasurer and Governor of the State and the local people have no say. The manager is indeed a dictator imposed upon them against their will.

    http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(ble...0AND%20manager

    Since the communities so far have been communities of people of color, it is hard to say that race plays no role in this. It is interesting to note that when this new law was passed earlier this year in Michigan ALL 100% of the votes came from Republicans - every single one of them representing communities where people of color only make up a tiny number. This is a perfect example of Ronald Reagans' nine most dangerous words in the English language "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".

    The new city officials become the emergency manager. And the people have no right to vote for them or any voice in retaining them.
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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The remarks of President Obama were 100% spot on. I dearly hope we see that theme play a major role in the campaign. Working people in America have to be aware of what is on the line for them at this pivotal point in history. We are perched on the edge of a knife and if we allow the right wing to take over the White House and the Senate it will be a major disaster that will take decades to recover from. We are seeing the rape of democracy and the middle class in several such states now. Here in Michigan, we are approaching half of all African Americans being stripped of their right to vote for their local government by Republicans.
    Don't worry. Working people all over the country have seen that Obama is willing to put his agenda ahead of the well-being of the working class.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You are either lying or are ignorant of the conditions.

    Under this law, local citizens lose the right to vote for their local government as the mayor and council no longer have any powers and the city is run by a financial manager who has ALL powers that the elected government would have. The imposition of the manager is up to the Treasurer and Governor of the State and the local people have no say. The manager is indeed a dictator imposed upon them against their will.

    Since the communities so far have been communities of people of color, it is hard to say that race plays no role in this. It is interesting to note that when this law was passed earlier this year in Michigan ALL 100% of the votes came from Republicans - every single one of them representing communities where people of color only make up a tiny number. This is a perfect example of Ronald Reagans' nine most dangerous words in the English language "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".
    Aren't you a big gubmint guy? Just wondering.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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