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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    He is right-it is during tough times like these that the middle class (which is dying thanks to the rightwingers) are what save this damn country. Time and time again! The middle class is what keeps this damn country flowing and why you do not have riots in the streets. They along with the poor are this countrys saving grace. It is damn sure not that of those on the Hill and/or the rich.

    The middle class in this country is struggling for more than just an easy rally cry of progressive anarchists. And it starts with all of the hidden slap downs to entrepreneurship that this administration has projected through their rhetoric. See, there is too much double talk for even the middle class to feel secure that their taxes won't go up due to the enormous amount of hidden taxation, fees, and uncertainty unleashed by this administration.

    2000 ++ page bills that only reveal whacks to average people when they are unleashed. Unchecked regulation imposed when this administration can't get its way through the legislation system that strangles industries, who then in turn pass along costs to us through prices at the pump, or higher energy bills for just living, higher grocery costs, etc...

    Wake up. It isn't only the rich Obama has his eyes on, progressives have everyone in mind.


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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Because there are such things as tax write-offs, deductions etc. If you own a house, have kids etc. you get deductions. Have you ever filed for taxes before?
    Not to mention the fact that the rate on long-term capital gains is 15%.

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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Not to mention the fact that the rate on long-term capital gains is 15%.
    So what? You do realize that money invested has already been taxed once already when it was made right?

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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    He is right-it is during tough times like these that the middle class (which is dying thanks to the rightwingers) are what save this damn country. Time and time again! The middle class is what keeps this damn country flowing and why you do not have riots in the streets. They along with the poor are this countrys saving grace. It is damn sure not that of those on the Hill and/or the rich.
    Right Wingers?

    Look here Kali, which Party launched TRILLIONS of dollars in wealth redistribution vote bribing schemes in the name of "Fairness". Yeah, Liberal ****ing Democrats. FDR and his "New Deal", LBJ and his "Great Society". You think the "RICH" paid most of that? HAHAHAHAHA. I mock you. It came from the bulk of middle class wealth. And what do we get in return?

    People like you claiming it's the Right Wing that harms the Middle Class! This is just one sure sign our Education System really HAS failed miserably.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Because there are such things as tax write-offs, deductions etc. If you own a house, have kids etc. you get deductions. Have you ever filed for taxes before?
    The $1.7 million was hist net income...after deductions. Do you now what "net" income is?

    He should have paid 35% and he didn't, which kills the claim that he is willing to pay more taxes.
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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    He is right-it is during tough times like these that the middle class (which is dying thanks to the rightwingers) are what save this damn country. Time and time again! The middle class is what keeps this damn country flowing and why you do not have riots in the streets. They along with the poor are this countrys saving grace. It is damn sure not that of those on the Hill and/or the rich.
    Maybe he should stop discouraging, or killing out creation of all those damn middle class jobs.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Maybe he should stop discouraging, or killing out creation of all those damn middle class jobs.
    Thanks for the opinion.

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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    The remarks of President Obama were 100% spot on. I dearly hope we see that theme play a major role in the campaign. Working people in America have to be aware of what is on the line for them at this pivotal point in history. We are perched on the edge of a knife and if we allow the right wing to take over the White House and the Senate it will be a major disaster that will take decades to recover from. We are seeing the rape of democracy and the middle class in several such states now. Here in Michigan, we are approaching half of all African Americans being stripped of their right to vote for their local government by Republicans.
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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    No no it doesnt. It doesnt even come close to "controlling our lives".

    Also on the Canada note how many people actually die from these horrendous, just have to be awful "waiting times"? Studies have found 45,000 people in the US die from just having lack of health care... Now how many die in Canada from these "waiting times"?

    Also if UHC is sooo terrible why are people all over Europe fighting for it to stay around whenever a conservative politician comes around and tries to get rid of it or make huge drastic cuts?
    TRick questions! lol. 45k... there aren't that many people in canada lol. Seriously though, so many canadians cross the border for HC and that IS the truth. IF their HC was superior, we'd be crossing the border to get HC from them, not the other way around. As for UHC in Europe and why many people are still clamoring to it, there really isn't much in the way of private practice in most major European coutries and most Europeans just don't make anywhere near enough to afford any type of HC at all.

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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The middle class in this country is struggling for more than just an easy rally cry of progressive anarchists. And it starts with all of the hidden slap downs to entrepreneurship that this administration has projected through their rhetoric. See, there is too much double talk for even the middle class to feel secure that their taxes won't go up due to the enormous amount of hidden taxation, fees, and uncertainty unleashed by this administration.

    2000 ++ page bills that only reveal whacks to average people when they are unleashed. Unchecked regulation imposed when this administration can't get its way through the legislation system that strangles industries, who then in turn pass along costs to us through prices at the pump, or higher energy bills for just living, higher grocery costs, etc...

    Wake up. It isn't only the rich Obama has his eyes on, progressives have everyone in mind.


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