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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Also where in gods name did you find class warfare in this?


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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    No no it doesnt. It doesnt even come close to "controlling our lives".
    Bull****. You are dictated to have insurance, or pay a penalty. Oh and you cannot choose your coverage, it's chosen FOR you.
    That's the definition of control.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Also on the Canada note how many people actually die from these horrendous, just have to be awful "waiting times"? Studies have found 45,000 people in the US die from just having lack of health care... Now how many die in Canada from these "waiting times"?

    Also if UHC is sooo terrible why are people all over Europe fighting for it to stay around whenever a conservative politician comes around and tries to get rid of it or make huge drastic cuts?
    How many people die? Is there an acceptable "deaths from waiting?" limit I'm unaware of? How about the pain and suffering?

    As for Europe... people like free stuff, they THINK UHC is free. Sadly they don't seem to want to accept the truth of it's cost.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Also where in gods name did you find class warfare in this?
    Did you hear the speech? /boggle/
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Bull****. You are dictated to have insurance, or pay a penalty.
    Uhhh that controls your life?
    Pay the penalty then...
    You have to have car insurance.. "MY LIFE IS BEING CONTROLLED!"

    Oh and you cannot choose your coverage, it's chosen FOR you.
    No see that is a flat out lie. You can still chooser your coverage. Not a bureaucrat... You choose your own coverage.



    How many people die? Is there an acceptable "deaths from waiting?"
    How many? Do they still get treated?
    How many? I can tell you how many die in this country.....


    As for Europe... people like free stuff, they THINK UHC is free. Sadly they don't seem to want to accept the truth of it's cost.
    That is your "logical" reponse to that? "In Europe people life free stuff"?
    Im pretty sure they dont think UHC is free... Im pretty sure they know that is where some of their tax dollars go to...
    Soo you whole response is "Europeans like free ****".. Wow..... Wow..... Now i know why people have really bad stereotypes about us (Americans)


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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Did you hear the speech? /boggle/
    Yea... It didnt sound like he was speaking of class struggle... Or one class rising up...


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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    You are dictated to have insurance, or pay a penalty.
    Which is the same thing as saying "If I have a kid I can write him off on my taxes. Therefor if I don't have a kid I'm fined by the government by more taxes. The government is forcing me to have kids!"

    They also are making me buy a house.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Oh and you cannot choose your coverage, it's chosen FOR you.
    That's the definition of control.
    There isn't just one option that you can pick from. There's many plans and as long as it fits the minimum criteria it's all good. Most plans already do. By definition, if there are at least two plans to pick from, you're getting a choice. Unless you're claiming that they are banning all insurance plans and companies except for one you are wrong. If you are claiming that then please provide evidence.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Oh please, you're going to vote for him, spare us the false agony of choice.
    Just noting....... Most people that know me are surprised and I believe some do not even believe me still that I didn't vote for McCain. I've voted GOP in the presidential election every time since 1984. (I turned 18 in Oct of 1979 and really had other things on my mind at the time).

    I believe more and more are having a difficult time voting for the choices that are gave. Even if in the end they go ahead and vote for what they believe is the lesser of two evils, I wouldn't dismiss a statement right now from someone having a difficult time making the same old votes they did in the past.

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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Uhhh that controls your life?
    Pay the penalty then...
    You have to have car insurance.. "MY LIFE IS BEING CONTROLLED!"
    Negative.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    No see that is a flat out lie. You can still chooser your coverage. Not a bureaucrat... You choose your own coverage.
    Nope, see you don't even know what Obamacare will do. Not a shock really.



    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    How many? Do they still get treated?
    How many? I can tell you how many die in this country.....
    No, you cannot.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    That is your "logical" reponse to that? "In Europe people life free stuff"?
    Im pretty sure they dont think UHC is free... Im pretty sure they know that is where some of their tax dollars go to...
    Soo you whole response is "Europeans like free ****".. Wow..... Wow..... Now i know why people have really bad stereotypes about us (Americans)
    No, PEOPLE like free stuff. period. That's human nature.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Negative.
    Uhhh nooo... When you buy a car you have to get car insurance if you want to drive that on public roads....

    Nope, see you don't even know what Obamacare will do. Not a shock really.
    PolitiFact | Herman Cain said government bureaucrats will determine when you get a CAT scan once the new health care law begins
    PolitiFact | PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'A government takeover of health care'

    I think you dont know...





    No, you cannot.
    Im asking you.....
    Can you tell me?



    No, PEOPLE like free stuff. period. That's human nature.
    So its not because they enjoy the cost and the quality and treatment of the care but because they like it because they think its "free"?
    I mean that is a really loose and im going to say idiotic argument..


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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Uhhh nooo... When you buy a car you have to get car insurance if you want to drive that on public roads....
    And if I decide to take the bus I don't.

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