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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I doubt anyone will even notice. It'll just mean there tax refund will be bigger.
    Is that how it works? You raise taxes and the refund goes up?

    If the GOP succeeds in blocking it you may notice that your paycheck is $40 lighter.

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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Is that how it works? You raise taxes and the refund goes up?

    If the GOP succeeds in blocking it you may notice that your paycheck is $40 lighter.
    If you qualify for a refund--which most middle classers do--sure.

    So, tell us where you got the 40 buck figure from. It's only a 7% hike. For someone to pay another 40 bucks, that person would have to be making $4,000 a week.
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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    But Thrilla you have not shown any civility so far.
    ..and it would only get worse if i allow myself to deal with your nonsense hyperbole.



    You have attempted to ignore my actual posts, ignore the content, ignore the links, and ignore the reality and facts. You tell us what the law says which is wrong and when I give you the actual wording in the law you pretend it is not there or you ignore it. You make assertions of fact about this law, get proven to the contrary and then just attempt to reframe your opinion with nothing behind it in the way of facts about the law.
    I said i would comment further when i have read the law in it's entirety( no , i will not take your word for anything, you have no credibility with me )....but yes, i have ignored and dismissed your hyperbole as nonsense.
    let's not pretend you are simply bringing facts and information to the table.. you are bring hyperbole about dictatorships , racism , and stripping of rights...

    Allow me to explain one thing to you. I was in the room when this bill was debated before committee. I was in the room when the arguments were framed and written against it. I wrote one of the major floor speeches given against it. I helped write press releases exposing what it would do. I know this bill very very well having seen it conceived, born and placed into effect.
    I don't care where you were or what you did... your hyperbole is horsepuckey.
    if you want people to see things as you do, I would advise not engaging in extreme hyperbole.
    to think that you are actually instrumental in public policy literally scares the bejeezus out of me and causes me to distrust government even more... i'm extremely happy I don't live in Michigan right now.

    And in case you didn't get it - a pet peeve of mine is the lame phrase MY BAD. Make me the world Emergency Manager for a day and I would abolish it - even if you voted to keep it... but then you couldn't do that could you since I would have all the power.
    I don't care what your pet peeves are..
    you are not obliged to maturely accept a concession of mine, but it is certainly the polite and civil way of going about it... launching another attack on me when i say I was wrong is simply immature... and although i will continue to say when i'm wrong.. i will certainly give pause the next time i do so to you, and i'll be forced to word it in a fashion that will disarm your subsequent juvenile attacks.... i have your number now, I now know what your character consists of.
    i'm not surprised you would attempt to utilize powers not conferred upon you to censor other people according to your whims.

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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Obama says no vacation till payroll tax cut extended; Republicans advance bill

    "President Barack Obama vowed to delay Congress' year-end vacation as well as his own Thursday for "as long as it takes" to extend Social Security payroll tax cuts and long-term jobless benefits, his second challenge in as many days to conservative Republicans."

    Obama says no vacation till payroll tax cut extended; Republicans advance bill - 12/8/2011 4:15:08 PM | Newser
    ....didn't Obama just get back from Hawaii?

    anyways, yeah, he didn't have much of a choice but to delay his vacation... Romney was ripping into him for planning to take it.... politics as it is, he was left having to delay it.

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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yeah, raising working class taxes by $1,000 is a good strategy for the Republicans. Go for it.
    I find it highly ironic the position the GOP has put themselves in- they are willing to do anything at all to protect the tax cuts for the wealthy, but are ready to throw the middle class tax cut under the bus, and truly seem surprised that the middle class is tired of being **** on.

    What an easy choice the majority will have next November!
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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    ....didn't Obama just get back from Hawaii?

    anyways, yeah, he didn't have much of a choice but to delay his vacation... Romney was ripping into him for planning to take it.... politics as it is, he was left having to delay it.
    Nope, he is waiting to get the middle class tax cut extended. Good on him for standing up for the middle class. Romney and the other candidates only care about continuing the tax cuts for the rich!

    Why are the GOP so opposed to continuing the tax break for the middle class???
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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If you qualify for a refund--which most middle classers do--sure.

    So, tell us where you got the 40 buck figure from. It's only a 7% hike. For someone to pay another 40 bucks, that person would have to be making $4,000 a week.
    I have no idea what you're talking about. The payroll tax holiday reduces payroll taxes by 2%, which amounts to about $1,000/yr. for the average family. That adds up to about $40 extra in a family's bi-weekly paycheck, or $80/month.

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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    "An extension and increase of the tax cut would increase the take-home earnings of the average Connecticut family by $2,400. If the tax cut is not passed, Connecticut families will experience a tax hike of over $1,600 next year."

    ConnecticutPlus.com News - Blumenthal pushes for extension and increase of payroll tax cut
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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Nope, he is waiting to get the middle class tax cut extended. Good on him for standing up for the middle class. Romney and the other candidates only care about continuing the tax cuts for the rich!

    Why are the GOP so opposed to continuing the tax break for the middle class???
    ugh.. political propaganda...i'm so over it....

    the GOP is not opposed to continuing the middle class tax break.. it's other items in the Dem bills they are opposed to( surtax on the rich).... same with the Dems, when the GOP offered their plan to continue the payroll tax break, they balked at other stuff in the GOP plan( pipeline plans, freeze on government wages, etc).

    neither side is opposed to the payroll tax break.. both have different ideas on how to pay for it and both sides are injecting unrelated stuff into the mix.


    this stuff is common political knowledge ... you just have to get away from propaganda outlets to gain access to it.

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    Re: Obama sees 'make or break' time for middle class

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    ugh.. political propaganda...i'm so over it....

    the GOP is not opposed to continuing the middle class tax break.. it's other items in the Dem bills they are opposed to( surtax on the rich).... same with the Dems, when the GOP offered their plan to continue the payroll tax break, they balked at other stuff in the GOP plan( pipeline plans, freeze on government wages, etc).

    neither side is opposed to the payroll tax break.. both have different ideas on how to pay for it and both sides are injecting unrelated stuff into the mix.


    this stuff is common political knowledge ... you just have to get away from propaganda outlets to gain access to it.
    Oh BS. The Republicans have opposed the payroll tax holiday all along th line. They are trying to tie it to the pipeline because they know Obama opposes it. Dems proposed the surtax because Republicans insist that it must be paid for.

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